Hamilton's principle: why dA rather than dA/dt?

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Hamilton's principle states that the action is stationary, expressed mathematically as δI = δ∫L dt = 0, which differs from the condition dI/dt = 0 for a function being stationary. The action is a functional dependent on a trajectory, meaning its input is a function (position over time) and its output is a numerical value. To achieve stationarity, modifying the input trajectory slightly should not change the output of the action functional. This concept emphasizes that "stationary" refers to variations in the function rather than time itself. The clarification provided enhances understanding beyond typical textbook explanations.
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Hamilton's principle is described as


\deltaI=\delta\intL dt = 0


so as the action is stationary.


This does not seem to be the same as dI/dt = 0, which is how I understand the condition for a function being stationary.

Am I misinterpreting the equation?
 
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The action is a *functional* of the trajectory. That is to say, its input is a function (position as a function of time) and its output is a number. This is contrasted with a regular function whose input is a number and whose output is a number. So when we say we want the action to be stationary we mean that if we modify the input to the action functional slightly, the output should be unchanged. The input, though, is a function, not a time. So here "stationary" means: if we replace the trajectory x(t) with a slightly different trajectory x(t)+a(t), where a(t) is a function that is always small, then the action of the new trajectory should be the same as the action of the old trajectory.
 
Thanks. Your explanation was much clearer than the textbooks I've been reading.
 
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