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The discussion revolves around understanding the statement "If A ⊇ B, then A ∪ B = B" within the context of set theory. Participants are exploring the implications of this statement and the conditions under which it holds true.

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  • Participants are attempting to analyze the statement by breaking it down into cases, questioning the validity of the assumptions made, and discussing scenarios where the statement might hold true or fail.

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There is an active exploration of the conditions under which the statement is valid, with some participants suggesting that it may only hold if A equals B or if A is a subset of B. Others are questioning the interpretations of the relationships between the sets and the implications of the union operation.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions and relationships of the sets involved, particularly in distinguishing between subsets and unions. There is mention of an attachment that may provide additional context, but its content is not discussed in detail.

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Hard Time Understanding "If A C B, then A U B = B"

Homework Statement



Understand how "If A [tex]\supseteq[/tex] B, then A U B = B" is possible.


Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



Since A U B = B, it can be separated into two cases. That is,

1) A U B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] B
2) B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] A U B

For case (1), I let x [tex]\in[/tex] A U B. Thus, either x [tex]\in[/tex] A or x [tex]\in[/tex] B. If x [tex]\in[/tex] A, then x [tex]\in[/tex] B. This means that A U B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] B.

For case (2), I let x [tex]\in[/tex] B. This is where I got stuck... I know I am supposed to apply the assumption that A [tex]\supseteq[/tex] B, but I am starting to think that it is impossible.

Here is an attachment of why I think it is impossible. Here is the link to tinypic for those who are too afraid to download attachments: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xszle&s=7.

Can anyone give me a tip on how to approach this problem?
 

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number0 said:

Homework Statement



Understand how "If A [tex]\supseteq[/tex] B, then A U B = B" is possible.


Homework Equations



None.


The Attempt at a Solution



Since A U B = B, it can be separated into two cases. That is,

1) A U B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] B
2) B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] A U B

For case (1), I let x [tex]\in[/tex] A U B. Thus, either x [tex]\in[/tex] A or x [tex]\in[/tex] B. If x [tex]\in[/tex] A, then x [tex]\in[/tex] B. This means that A U B [tex]\subseteq[/tex] B.

For case (2), I let x [tex]\in[/tex] B. This is where I got stuck...

But if x ε B then isn't x ε A U B?
 


number0 said:
Understand how "If A [tex]\supseteq[/tex] B, then A U B = B" is possible.

What you wrote holds only if A=B. Another scenario would be [itex]A\subseteq B \Rightarrow A\cup B = B[/itex]

which is trivial.
 


number0 said:
Understand how "If A [tex]\supseteq[/tex] B, then A U B = B" is possible.
From the other stuff you wrote, I'm assuming this is a typo and you meant if A ⊂ B, then A ∪ B = B.

In your attachment, you interpreted B ⊂ A ∪ B to mean B is a subset of A and a subset of B. This isn't correct. Say C ⊂ A ∪ B. If x∈C, that only means x∈A or x∈B. It's possible for some elements of C to be only in A and others to be only in B so that C is a subset of neither A nor B. So B ⊂ A ∪ B doesn't tell you anything about whether B is a subset of A or a subset of B. It just says all the elements in B are also elements in the union of A and B.
 

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