Harmonic Oscillator - Mass With Initial Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the motion of a harmonic oscillator, specifically addressing the scenario where a mass is dropped onto a spring with an initial velocity. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the system's behavior under these conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the force equation for a harmonic oscillator and seeks guidance on solving for x(t) with initial velocity.
  • Another participant describes the general solution to the second-order differential equation, indicating that the solutions involve sine and cosine functions, and emphasizes the role of initial conditions.
  • A third participant elaborates on the general solution, deriving expressions for the constants A and B based on initial conditions, specifically when the mass is at rest at t=0 and has an initial velocity.
  • Substituting initial conditions leads to a specific form of the solution, where the displacement x is expressed in terms of initial velocity and angular frequency.
  • A later post connects the discussion to practical applications, suggesting that the derived equations could model the behavior of a bungee jumper at the end of the rope.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of considering gravitational effects on the equilibrium position in the bungee scenario and notes that real-world applications may deviate from ideal Hookean behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to solving the harmonic oscillator problem, but there are differing views on the implications of gravity and the applicability of Hooke's law in real-world scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need to consider gravitational displacement of the equilibrium position and the limitations of Hooke's law in practical applications, but these aspects remain unresolved in the discussion.

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For a harmonic oscillator with mass M, spring of stiffness k and displacement the force equation is:

-kx = Md2x/dt2

How do you handle the situation and work out a solution for x(t) when the mass has an initial velocity. E.g. a mass dropped onto the spring?
 
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It's a pretty simple second order differential equation with sins and coss as it's solutions, you then just solve for x'(0) = initial velocity
 
The first thing you do is to solve the DE in the general case, that is without specific initial conditions. You find
x = A cos [itex]\omega[/itex]t + B sin [itex]\omega[/itex]t

in which [itex]\omega[/itex] = [itex]\frac{force per unit x}{mass}[/itex]

and A and B are arbitrary constants. It is these whose values accommodate the initial conditions. So, suppose you knew that at t = 0, x = 0 and [itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex] = v[itex]_{0}[/itex].

Substituting x = 0, t = 0 into the general solution gives

x = B sin [itex]\omega[/itex]t. [A = 0.]

So [itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex] = B [itex]\omega[/itex] cos [itex]\omega[/itex]t

Now imposing [itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex] = v[itex]_{0}[/itex] when t = 0

v[itex]_{0}[/itex] = B [itex]\omega[/itex] so B =[itex]\frac{v}{\omega}[/itex]

Putting in this value for B, we finally have

x = [itex]\frac{v}{\omega}[/itex] sin [itex]\omega[/itex]t.
 
Thanks for the answer Philip!

I was reading a question about Bungee ropes last night on Webanswers and this equation could probably go some way towards modeling the behavior of a jumper when they have reached the end of the rope which then starts to stretch.
 
Yes, it would be an excellent model. You've got to be careful over gravity, which displaces the equilibrium position below the point at which the bungee starts to stretch, but I doubt if this will cause too many problems for you.

And – not something to worry about yet – the bungee won't obey Hooke's law perfectly.
 

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