Has evolution actually been observed?

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The discussion centers on whether evolution, particularly macroevolution, has been directly observed. Participants highlight that while microevolution is frequently observed in microorganisms and fruit flies, macroevolution—significant changes leading to new species—remains more contentious. Some argue that evolution is a gradual process that occurs over long timescales, making direct observation challenging within a human lifespan. The conversation also touches on the definition of species and speciation, with examples like dogs and wolves illustrating the complexities of interbreeding and genetic compatibility. Ultimately, the consensus suggests that while evolution can be documented through evidence and examples, direct observation of macroevolution in real-time is not feasible.
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I know that it has been 'proven', but my question is, has it actually been observed by somebody? Yes, we can see the similarities between different subspecies and species but that alone is not proof that they evolved from each other. Has anyone actually seen it happen?
 
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JerryClower said:
I know that it has been 'proven', but my question is, has it actually been observed by somebody? Yes, we can see the similarities between different subspecies and species but that alone is not proof that they evolved from each other. Has anyone actually seen it happen?

I'm sure you your self have witnessed evolution. Do you get the flu shot?
 
JerryClower said:
I know that it has been 'proven', but my question is, has it actually been observed by somebody?

Sure, it happens all the time with microorganisms. It's even been observed in animals (fruit flies).
 
CRGreathouse said:
Sure, it happens all the time with microorganisms. It's even been observed in animals (fruit flies).

What abouuuut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution" .

There are PLENTY of instances where evolution has been observed.
 
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Good answers guys but it was my fault because I was unclear on what I was talking about. I meant the theory of evolution, as proposed by Charles Darwin, from one species to another, a macro change in the organism that makes it a whole new species or subspecies. Has it been observed?

Didn't Darwin say that all life forms that existed in his present time all came from germ cells many years ago?
 
JerryClower said:
from one species to another, a macro change in the organism that makes it a whole new species or subspecies.
Can all breeds of dog successfully breed with wolves?
 
mgb_phys said:
Can all breeds of dog successfully breed with wolves?
Not sure. I don't think it could happen physically. I think some dogs are to small to have sexual intercourse with wolves. I think it could happen unnaturally though, maybe. You know, artificial insemination. If you know the answer, go ahead and answer it for me, because I am stumped.
 
JerryClower said:
Good answers guys but it was my fault because I was unclear on what I was talking about. I meant the theory of evolution, as proposed by Charles Darwin, from one species to another, a macro change in the organism that makes it a whole new species or subspecies. Has it been observed?
What do you mean by "observed"? Do you mean observed on a human timescale?

If that's what you mean, the answer is probably difficult, but if that's what you mean, why would you put such a constraint on evolution? That constraint is simply inappropriate and unnecessary in science. There are plenty of phenomena that we observe in science that are too fast (time dilation - nanosecond accuracy required), too slow (most of geology/astronomy), too small (cellular biology, materials science), too dim (astronomy), in the wrong frequency of light (astronomy, radio communications), etc. for us to observe in human timescales/with human sensory organs. Science long ago started to progress beyond what humans could discover with our senses - centuries ago.
 
JerryClower said:
Not sure. I don't think it could happen physically. I think some dogs are to small to have sexual intercourse with wolves. I think it could happen unnaturally though, maybe. You know, artificial insemination. If you know the answer, go ahead and answer it for me, because I am stumped.
The ability to breed, as far as evolution is concerned, has nothing to do with penis size. Dogs and wolves are different species because the dna itself is incompatible. Dog sperm cannot inseminate a wolf (and vice versa). That's the definition of speciation.

Just so we're clear about what the others were getting at, dogs evolved from wolves over the past few thousand years because humans bred them in a way (domesticated, isolated) that caused the species to separate.
 
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russ_watters said:
What do you mean by "observed"? Do you mean observed on a human timescale?

If that's what you mean, the answer is probably difficult, but if that's what you mean, why would you put such a constraint on evolution? That constraint is simply inappropriate and unnecessary in science. There are plenty of phenomena that we observe in science that are too fast (time dilation - nanosecond accuracy required), too slow (most of geology/astronomy), too small (cellular biology, materials science), too dim (astronomy), in the wrong frequency of light (astronomy, radio communications), etc. for us to observe in human timescales/with human sensory organs. Science long ago started to progress beyond what humans could discover with our senses - centuries ago.

So are you implying that even though something cannot be sensed with at least one of the five senses that it shouldn't be disregarded as false?

All I am wanting to know is if people have actually seen evolution take place. Not simple evolution, but evolution that many scientists accept today? Once again the theory of evolution has not been around for that long in comparison to how long humans have been here. Maybe in the future there will be tons of pictures of past organisms so that the people of the future can actually see how the organisms changed instead of having to guess (educated guess) by what they see with fossils
 
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russ_watters said:
The ability to breed, as far as evolution is concerned, has nothing to do with penis size. Dogs and wolves are different species because the dna itself is incompatible. Dog sperm cannot inseminate a wolf (and vice versa). That's the definition of speciation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog

What about these?
 
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russ_watters said:
The ability to breed, as far as evolution is concerned, has nothing to do with penis size. Dogs and wolves are different species because the dna itself is incompatible. Dog sperm cannot inseminate a wolf (and vice versa). That's the definition of speciation.

Just so we're clear about what the others were getting at, dogs evolved from wolves over the past few thousand years because humans bred them in a way (domesticated, isolated) that caused the species to separate.

Not entirely correct. Hybrids between various speicies do occur frequently for many animals. So interbreeding isn't a defining characteristic for separate species. However their natural tendency to breed with similar animals is part of a characteristic.

You see questions about 'speciation' etc. are difficult questions because the terms themselves are not exactly defined any longer (species for instance, there is a plethora of resources on what the word means and no one is exactly sure what it should include yet).

So dogs can and do interbreed with wolves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid

EDIT: @Jerry's questions:
"speciation" I'm quite sure has been observed. Depending on your definition of species though... you appear to be moving the goalpost. First just 'evolution' occurring then 'speciation' but not including 'sub-species'. You should post explicit definitions of the words you are using.
 
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JerryClower said:
So are you implying that even though something cannot be sensed with at least one of the five senses that it shouldn't be disregarded as false?
That is exactly what I'm saying. And I took it further: as tools for scientific inquiry, our senses are woefully inadequate.
 
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Edit: Sorry, didn't see zomgwtf's post!
russ_watters said:
Dog sperm cannot inseminate a wolf (and vice versa).

My old neighbors (before I moved) had a Siberian Husky-wolf. A Google search suggests they're pretty common.

Domestic dogs are generally considered to be a subspecies of wolf (C. lupus familiaris and C. lupus).
 
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...from that wiki on wolf-dog hybrids, it says the reclassification of dogs as a wolf subspecies is a relatively recent development. I was not aware of this or the hybrids. Thanks for the clarification, guys.
 
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russ_watters said:
The ability to breed, as far as evolution is concerned, has nothing to do with penis size. Dogs and wolves are different species because the dna itself is incompatible. Dog sperm cannot inseminate a wolf (and vice versa). That's the definition of speciation.

Mules are the most common example of inter-specie breeding, and I think just about anyone seen a mule in their lifes. It has nothing to do with definition of "speciation". Horse and donkey are 2 different species, yet they can produce offspring.

Also, physical attributes for example size has a lot to do with the ability to engage in intercourse. No intercourse, no *natural* ability to reproduce. I don't think a poor chihuahua male will ever be able to naturally have intercourse with a German Shepard female , for example. Though the opposite may be true (no ideea really :P) in some twisted situation :P
 
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JerryClower said:
All I am wanting to know is if people have actually seen evolution take place. Not simple evolution, but evolution that many scientists accept today?

What is the difference? Evolution is a process...
 
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BoomBoom said:
What is the difference? Evolution is a process...
The difference I am talking about is changes from simple organisms that we see today, to complex organisms that we see today. If evolution, as described by scientists, is only apparent millions of years ago, but not now how can it be true? I'm just wondering if evolution (macro evolution) of different species, has actually happened and been documented. We see similarities between organisms, but that does not mean that they evolved from one another.
 
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JerryClower said:
The difference I am talking about is changes from simple organisms that we see today, to complex organisms that we see today. If evolution, as described by scientists, is only apparent millions of years ago, but not now how can it be true? I'm just wondering if evolution (macro evolution) of different species, has actually happened and been documented. We see similarities between organisms, but that does not mean that they evolved from one another.

You have a gross misunderstanding of evolution it appears.

First off get rid of this notion of evolution vs. macro evolution being different.

Secondly get rid of the notion that evolution as described by scientist (which it is apparent you don't understand so you shouldn't talk about it anyways) is only apparent millions of years ago.

and lastly, get rid of the idea that because organisms are similar they evolved from one another.

It annoys me to NO END when people claim they know what's 'described by scientists' and try to contradict it using blatant misinformation.
 
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Gradual, gradual, minute changes taking places over thousands of generations...but at SOME point a creature with 66 pairs of chromosomes spawns an offspring with 68 pairs...only it happens TWICE, in the same GENERATION, and those two FREAKS meet and hook up (instead of randomly mating with any of the countless possible number of 66-chromosome mates) and spawn a WHOLE NEW RACE of 68-chromosome creatures. It's all so simple I don't see how anyone could have the slightest doubt.
 
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conway said:
Gradual, gradual, minute changes taking places over thousands of generations...but at SOME point a creature with 66 pairs of chromosomes spawns an offspring with 68 pairs...only it happens TWICE, in the same GENERATION, and those two FREAKS meet and hook up (instead of randomly mating with any of the countless possible number of 66-chromosome mates) and spawn a WHOLE NEW RACE of 68-chromosome creatures. It's all so simple I don't see how anyone could have the slightest doubt.

errr...? Troll much?
 
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What, did the CAPS give it AWAY??

Obviously the question of how the chromosome number changes is a trivial point.
 
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conway said:
What, did the CAPS give it AWAY??

Obviously the question of how the chromosome number changes is a trivial point.

I'm biting what's your point with both your posts? Are you being serious or just trolling?
 
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Why can't I be both?
 
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I guess the point is that unlike the tiny gradual changes that take place over hundreds of generations, the change in chromosome number should be pretty well instantaneous. So its not absurd for someone to ask if "evolution" in that sense has actually been observed.
 
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JerryClower said:
So are you implying that even though something cannot be sensed with at least one of the five senses that it shouldn't be disregarded as false?

While the event itself may not be able to be sensed by a single human, evidence of that event can. This is no different than anything that occurred at least a few hundred years ago. No one alive today witnessed the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest" , but there is plenty of evidence supporting it, and you'd have a hard time arguing it didn't occur just because you didn't see it.
 
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there are Coy-dogs as well, that interbreed with coyotes... I now wonder if wolves and coyotes may mix?

I recently saw a post on youtube (in a theist/atheist argument) that the wild pigs of north america, which do not resemble domestic pigs very much outwardly, are not native to the continent, north or south. They started out pink and tame, and now they are big, brown, hairy and mean... just google wild boar and domestic pig... both share common ancestry.

Look at domestic dogs if you want to see evolution in action. Survival of the fittest in this instance, is the one that has the desired traits. Why does a pointer dog point, without training? Wolves do not, coyotes do not. This is man-influenced evolution at work.

And if you want a real poopile of an example... MRSA... it evolved to be resistant to modern antibiotics... imagine that, modern man, thwarted by an organism lacking a nervous system.
 
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Philosothink said:
Look at domestic dogs if you want to see evolution in action. Survival of the fittest in this instance, is the one that has the desired traits. Why does a pointer dog point, without training? Wolves do not, coyotes do not. This is man-influenced evolution at work.

I am not very comfortable with putting this in "survival of the fittest" category. Evolution in the case of most domestic dogs, like pointers, seems to be mostly engineered by humans,by using different selective breeding mechanisms.

It doesn't look to me anything remotely close to natural selection. It's pretty much a man directed process, one in which he engineers breeds able to satisfy his needs. Discarding individuals with less desired traits is pretty much the same as discarding mechanical parts in an industrial plant. Discard if it doesn't pass the QA process.

Philosothink said:
Why does a pointer dog point, without training? Wolves do not, coyotes do not.

Do they lack the ability ? Maybe a wolf can point to his fellow wolfs where the pray it ? I don't know.

Perhaps is just behavior difference, not a real lack of natural ability to do this thing.
 
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Not trying to "troll" or anything of that nature, but no human has ever seen any type of mammal give birth to a slightly different mammal. How can an animal of one species produce an entirely different species? I know that it is gradual changes over time, that is why nobody has ever seen it happen. But what I'm asking is, how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states? Don't most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms? How is that even possible? Someone needs to tell me, don't most scientists believe that all land animals came from prehistoric life forms found in the ocean?

Also a question about natural selection. In natural selection, does the DNA of the organism actually "recognize" it needs to make a change, and then change. Or does natural selection just mean that an organism with the best sight and hearing (example) will be most likely to reproduce so then it will pass the 'best' sight and hearing onto its offspring. Eventually, over a lot of years, an organism will be produced that has great sight and hearing, since the organisms with the best sight and hearing are the ones that mated and reproduced offspring. Am I right?
 
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JerryClower said:
Also a question about natural selection. In natural selection, does the DNA of the organism actually "recognize" it needs to make a change, and then change. Or does natural selection just mean that an organism with the best sight and hearing (example) will be most likely to reproduce so then it will pass the 'best' sight and hearing onto its offspring. Eventually, over a lot of years, an organism will be produced that has great sight and hearing, since the organisms with the best sight and hearing are the ones that mated and reproduced offspring. Am I right?

DNA doesn't know anything. It doesn't know it has to change.

When individuals in a population reproduce with different chances of success, hence some individuals contribute to the subsequent generations more offspring, allele frequency in the population change in such a way that it *adapts individuals* to the environments which influenced reproductive success. This is natural selection in a nutshell.

So yeah, basically it means your 2nd option.
 
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JerryClower said:
Someone needs to tell me, don't most scientists believe that all land animals came from prehistoric life forms found in the ocean?

If you are interested in this, I think it would be interesting for you to explore a bit the theories about the colonization of land with photosynthetic organisms which lived in seas. It's really a important moment, and it illustrates many limitations said organisms had initially when moving to land (shores) , and the many adaptations required to actually move to totally dry land.

I think its very interesting to read about it.
 
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DanP said:
DNA doesn't know anything. It doesn't know it has to change.

When individuals in a population reproduce with different chances of success, hence some individuals contribute to the subsequent generations more offspring, allele frequency in the population change in such a way that it *adapts individuals* to the environments which influenced reproductive success. This is natural selection in a nutshell.

So yeah, basically it means your 2nd option.

The DNA doesn't know anything but it does recognize various things including mutations and organism can recognize when gene expression needs to change. It doesn't 'control mutations' as such however.

Not trying to "troll" or anything of that nature, but no human has ever seen any type of mammal give birth to a slightly different mammal. How can an animal of one species produce an entirely different species? I know that it is gradual changes over time, that is why nobody has ever seen it happen. But what I'm asking is, how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states? Don't most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms? How is that even possible? Someone needs to tell me, don't most scientists believe that all land animals came from prehistoric life forms found in the ocean?
We've never seen the birth of a slightly different mammal? Wonder it means to have a birth defect then...
You will need to define to me what species means there are so many various definitions floating around the scientific world it's hard to keep them all straight and give a 'definitive answer' to your question.

They have offspring the same way they have their other offspring... the catch of course being they have been mutated... which has been documented MANY times so I hope you won't try to dispute this.
Yes most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms. (If we include that life forms are no longer being created.)
It's very easily possible. Ask more specific questions and I can give you much more specific answers.
If we go far enough back in common ancestors yes, we will go allllll the way back to ocean life forms.
 
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JerryClower said:
Not trying to "troll" or anything of that nature, but no human has ever seen any type of mammal give birth to a slightly different mammal.

Happens all the time. Where do new dog breeds come from? What about birth defects? What about disease immunities (including recent, and I believe novel, genetic resistance to HIV)?

JerryClower said:
How can an animal of one species produce an entirely different species? I know that it is gradual changes over time, that is why nobody has ever seen it happen. But what I'm asking is, how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states?

Of course speciation is not particularly well-defined, or rather there's not much agreement about what a good definition would be. But in short, change is incremental enough that A could mate with B, B could mate with C, ..., and Y could mate with Z, but A cannot mate with Z. (That is, "can mate with" or "is the same species as" are not actually transitive relations.)

The well-known example of a ring species gives an unrelated illustration of the concept. Letting <--> mean "is fertile with" or "is the same (biological) species as", we have
Herring Gull <--> American Herring Gull <--> East Siberian Herring Gull <--> Birula's Gull <--> Heuglin's gull <--> Siberian Lesser Black-backed Gull
but
Herring Gull <-/-> Siberian Lesser Black-backed Gull.

This is similar to the linguistic concept of a dialect continuum, if you're familiar with that.

JerryClower said:
Someone needs to tell me, don't most scientists believe that all land animals came from prehistoric life forms found in the ocean?

Sure, but that's not a hard transition. The 'recent' (~50 Ma) ancestors of dolphins were land-dwellers, whereas the transition from sea to land was much further back (~450 Ma).

JerryClower said:
Also a question about natural selection. In natural selection, does the DNA of the organism actually "recognize" it needs to make a change, and then change.

Never.

JerryClower said:
Or does natural selection just mean that an organism with the best sight and hearing (example) will be most likely to reproduce so then it will pass the 'best' sight and hearing onto its offspring. Eventually, over a lot of years, an organism will be produced that has great sight and hearing, since the organisms with the best sight and hearing are the ones that mated and reproduced offspring. Am I right?

Not particularly, but that's closer than the idea that DNA "wants" something and does it.

Natural selection is just this: what creatures live, live. If having eyes was a deadly disadvantage for some reason, then lots of creatures with eyes would die. Then most existing creatures would be eyeless, either because they survived the Great Eye Purge or because their parents (etc.) did.

If eyes provide no particular advantage but cost a lot (metabolically speaking), then there's some selection pressure away from eyes. When food is plentiful, creatures with eyes survive and reproduce just fine; when scarce, they're more likely to die off. Thus creatures in environments not friendly to eyes (e.g., naked mole rats) have, over a long course, selected against expensive (in terms of disease as well as development) large eyes. In environments where eyes are an advantage, the selection is in the opposite direction. A gazelle with poor eyesight might have trouble escaping predation, in which case it fails to pass along its genes.

Most novel developments (whether mutations or simple cross-breading) are either harmful or essentially neutral. Sometimes several apparently neutral developments, when combined, have an effect; in these cases that effect can be selected for or against.
 
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JerryClower said:
Not trying to "troll" or anything of that nature, but no human has ever seen any type of mammal give birth to a slightly different mammal. How can an animal of one species produce an entirely different species? I know that it is gradual changes over time, that is why nobody has ever seen it happen. But what I'm asking is, how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states? Don't most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms? How is that even possible? Someone needs to tell me, don't most scientists believe that all land animals came from prehistoric life forms found in the ocean?

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/GDI/win32_Gradients/grad.jpg

That is a color gradient from red to orange to yellow. I don't think anyone would deny that it is red at the start then changes to orange then to yellow. However, where does it exactly change? You can't draw a line and say everything to the left of this is red. Well you could but it would be completely arbitrary. Same with evolution. If you looked at the family line going back millions of generations you'd see that the organism at the start wouldn't be the same species as the one at the end. To put it in our analogy the starting organism would be "red" and the ending would be "yellow". They would be undeniably different. However, at no single generational change would there be any significant difference. No parent would be a different species than its offspring.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
Of course speciation is not particularly well-defined, or rather there's not much agreement about what a good definition would be. But in short, change is incremental enough that A could mate with B, B could mate with C, ..., and Y could mate with Z, but A cannot mate with Z. (That is, "can mate with" or "is the same species as" are not actually transitive relations.)

The A cannot mate with Z is misleading IMO. A better formulation would be "group A is separated by group Z with which interbreeding does not *usually* occurs".

I use the term "usually", because there are many examples of inter species breeding. Some there given in this very thread.

Anyway, this whole blur is caused by the fact we still have no perfect definition of "species".

to OP -- read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem
 
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I don't think a poor chihuahua male will ever be able to naturally have intercourse with a German Shepard female , for example. Though the opposite may be true (no ideea really :P) in some twisted situation :P[/QUOTE]


I can personally attest to this being incorrect... as a child i had a pet chihuahua, he was a terrible philanderer and would routinely go "off chasing" for days or even weeks! He'd come home weak and tired. On one outing, he indeed, entered the garage of someone our family knew. The door was raised several inches for airflow, and inside was a female german shepard, in heat... ugliest puppies ever... all middle sized, with mixed short and long hair.
 
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JerryClower said:
Not trying to "troll" or anything of that nature, but no human has ever seen any type of mammal give birth to a slightly different mammal. How can an animal of one species produce an entirely different species? I know that it is gradual changes over time, that is why nobody has ever seen it happen. But what I'm asking is, how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states? Don't most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms? How is that even possible?

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Jerry, you have a deep misunderstanding, or are deliberately being obtuse for the sake of argument. NO SCIENTIST, sane at least, believes that any animal ever gives birth to the offspring of another animal. It would have to be an embryo implanted into a similar animal, for the sake of scientific study, or possibly extinct species revival.

Only NON scientists think man evolved from apes, or use it as an argument.

Species differentiation requires many thousands (or hundreds of) of years in almost every case.

I trust time will clear all this up, and in the meantime, there will be a robust surplus of ignorant discussion on the matter.
 
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Also,

"how can an organism have offspring of a different species, like the theory of evolution states?"

would you please elaborate to the rest of us, where you came upon this notion? It does not state this. At all. Only a person who had not read about Evolution on their own, and had derived their understanding of Evolution from the writings or verbalizations of others, who did not understand it would think this.

I recommend you actually read "Origin of Species". I it will clear up a lot of things for you. It can change your life for the better. And you can continue to believe in whatever magical beings you chose, because they are not exclusive of one another.

What right thinking all powerful being, would create life unable to adapt and change. Frankly, even when I was a christian, I was offended that people thought my god was too stupid to plan ahead for long term environmental changes.

The true danger of the Young Earth Theory is it requires mankind to embrace it's special place in the ecosystem and deny 200,000 years of natural selection, and the impact of that selection upon our body, and mind.

I will give you a key example. The Theory of Romantic Love. Our misunderstanding of biological mating preference and the function of the underlying mental systems, has caused needless deaths in acts of jealous passion, since the beginning of our kind and continues to this day. Our misunderstanding of these things, leads to nearly all teen pregnancies. Marriages fall apart when one spouse encounters someone they "can't resist" ... if only they understood their own minds. Love is a biochemical process which evolved for the purpose of ensuring the survival of our offspring.

I will fess up to my own non-scientistness here publicly. I am not formally educated on this matter, but I have read widely on it and prefer studying about myself to watching TV, so I'm not entirely unknowledgable, but a amateur no less. My commentary on this matter isn't typed out of a need for argument, i can call my exwife if I find my need for argumentative drama rising. I comment on this because people need to understand their history so they can live their lives peacefully and in balance.
 
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fyi... the current theory is not that we evolved from apes. Apes are actually MORE evolved than we are. Our evolution has slowed to a standstill because we are possibly the most successfully evolved species ever.

currently, most evolutionary scientists accept that apes and man evolved separately, from a common, squirrel like ancestor.
 
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DaleSwanson said:
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/GDI/win32_Gradients/grad.jpg

That is a color gradient from red to orange to yellow. I don't think anyone would deny that it is red at the start then changes to orange then to yellow. However, where does it exactly change? You can't draw a line and say everything to the left of this is red. Well you could but it would be completely arbitrary. Same with evolution. If you looked at the family line going back millions of generations you'd see that the organism at the start wouldn't be the same species as the one at the end. To put it in our analogy the starting organism would be "red" and the ending would be "yellow". They would be undeniably different. However, at no single generational change would there be any significant difference. No parent would be a different species than its offspring.

Then how does the number of chromosomes change?
 
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conway said:
Then how does the number of chromosomes change?

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/basics_how_can_chromosome_numb.php
 
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JerryClower said:
So are you implying that even though something cannot be sensed with at least one of the five senses that it shouldn't be disregarded as false?
This has been answered once before, but I'll repeat to emphasize its importance: YES! And that's only a mild form of stating it.

Almost all fundamental science today deals with conclusions that are inferred from experiments/observations, that can not be performed simply by the five senses. Is your inability to "sense" electron transport through a nanosized transistor on a silicon chip a good reason to conclude that computers ought not to work?
 
  • #45
zomgwtf said:
The DNA doesn't know anything but it does recognize various things including mutations and organism can recognize when gene expression needs to change. It doesn't 'control mutations' as such however.


We've never seen the birth of a slightly different mammal? Wonder it means to have a birth defect then...
You will need to define to me what species means there are so many various definitions floating around the scientific world it's hard to keep them all straight and give a 'definitive answer' to your question.

They have offspring the same way they have their other offspring... the catch of course being they have been mutated... which has been documented MANY times so I hope you won't try to dispute this.
Yes most scientists believe that all life forms present today evolved from other life forms. (If we include that life forms are no longer being created.)
It's very easily possible. Ask more specific questions and I can give you much more specific answers.
If we go far enough back in common ancestors yes, we will go allllll the way back to ocean life forms.
I wasn't thinking about deformities. Good answer, it actually makes sense.
 
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Philosothink said:
Also,


I recommend you actually read "Origin of Species". I it will clear up a lot of things for you. It can change your life for the better. And you can continue to believe in whatever magical beings you chose, because they are not exclusive of one another.

What right thinking all powerful being, would create life unable to adapt and change. Frankly, even when I was a christian, I was offended that people thought my god was too stupid to plan ahead for long term environmental changes.

Why did you assume I believed in magical beings? You know what they say about assuming, don't you?
 
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