Hausdorff dimension of Hofstadter's Butterfly?

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The discussion revolves around the Hausdorff dimension of Hofstadter's Butterfly, a fractal structure that arises in the context of quantum mechanics and solid-state physics. Participants explore the implications of its classification as a Cantor set and the potential dependence of its Hausdorff dimension on the quantum flux.

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  • One participant notes that Hofstadter's Butterfly is described as a fractal and suggests that when the quantum flux is an irrational number, it may be a Cantor set with a Hausdorff dimension of ln(2)/ln(3).
  • The same participant questions whether the Cantor set classification might refer to a generalized Cantor set with a Hausdorff dimension of ln(2)/ln((1-γ)/2), where γ could depend on the flux.
  • Another participant suggests that the topic may be more appropriate for a mathematical subforum, indicating a potential mismatch with the current physics context.
  • There is a discussion about whether to move the thread to a mathematical subforum, with suggestions for specific areas such as Set Theory or Topology.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate forum for the discussion, with some advocating for a mathematical context while others emphasize its physical implications. The question of the Hausdorff dimension and its dependence on the quantum flux remains unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the classification of Hofstadter's Butterfly and its Hausdorff dimension, which may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of the quantum flux.

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Hofstadter's Butterfly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstadter's_butterfly) is described as a fractal, and in http://physics.technion.ac.il/~odim/hofstadter.html it is stated that when the quantum flux is an irrational number of units, then it is a Cantor set, which makes it (by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fractals_by_Hausdorff_dimension) = ln(2)/ln(3). However, I am wondering whether the statement that it is a Cantor set is perhaps referring to a generalized Cantor set with Hausdorff dimension ln(2)/ ln((1-γ)/2) with perhaps γ depending on the flux?
 
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I think this topic would better fit in some mathematical subforum.
 
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Thanks, Demystifier. Should I post this anew in a mathematical subforum, or is there some way to move it? ( I put it in Physics because of the fact that it is the theoretical result of an electron's movement in a strong magnetic field in a crystal.)
 
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Should I post this anew in a mathematical subforum, or is there some way to move it?
To request that a thread be moved, just use the "Report" button.

( I put it in Physics because of the fact that it is the theoretical result of an electron's movement in a strong magnetic field in a crystal.)
From a physics standpoint, it belongs in Quantum or Solid State. But Demystifier is correct that you'll probably get better answers in a math subforum.

Let me know which math subforum is most appropriate. (Set theory, Topology, or just General Math.)
 
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Thanks, Doc Al. I would be grateful if you could move this to Set Theory.
 
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Thanks, Doc Al. I would be grateful if you could move this to Set Theory.
Done!
 
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