Hawking Radiation: Rate of Decay & Mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and the rate of decay in the context of Hawking radiation, comparing it to radioactive decay. Participants explore whether smaller masses lead to faster rates of decay and seek clarification on the underlying principles of these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between mass and decay rates, questioning if smaller masses decay faster in the context of Hawking radiation.
  • Another participant states that the power radiated through the Hawking mechanism is inversely proportional to mass squared, suggesting that smaller black holes radiate more power.
  • A later reply references a previous thread that includes a table of black holes with their mass, power output, and temperature, indicating a formula for calculating power output related to mass.
  • One participant discusses the concept of negative specific heat in black holes, explaining that their temperature and radiation are related in a way that seems counterintuitive.
  • Another participant challenges the initial understanding of decay rates by explaining that in nuclear decay, the mass difference between the nucleus and decay products plays a significant role, and that electrostatic forces among protons affect binding and lifetime differently than gravitational forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass and decay rates, with some supporting the idea that smaller masses lead to faster decay while others provide alternative explanations involving nuclear forces. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about decay rates and the forces at play, particularly regarding the differences between gravitational and nuclear interactions. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the principles involved in Hawking radiation and radioactive decay.

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Last night in my calculus class I learned about radioactive decay, a nice example using radium. I was taught that the smaller the mass, the slower the rate of decay (or at least that's what I absorbed, I still have to go over my notes again. Or does the rate not change, but the time it takes to decay is longer?). Does hawking radiation act in the opposite way? that the smaller the mass the faster the rate of decay? (and like above, I'm a bit confused if the rate of decay changes or remains constant, but perhaps just the mass decays faster).

As you can see I'm just looking for some clarification as I'm new to this stuff.
 
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Yes, the power radiated through the hawking mechanism is inversely proportional to mass (squared, actually).

The wiki page has some nice derivations that aren't terribly involved, so that would be a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_Radiation
 
srfriggen said:
Last night in my calculus class I learned about radioactive decay, a nice example using radium. I was taught that the smaller the mass, the slower the rate of decay (or at least that's what I absorbed, I still have to go over my notes again. Or does the rate not change, but the time it takes to decay is longer?). Does hawking radiation act in the opposite way? that the smaller the mass the faster the rate of decay? (and like above, I'm a bit confused if the rate of decay changes or remains constant, but perhaps just the mass decays faster).

As you can see I'm just looking for some clarification as I'm new to this stuff.

Yes. In [post=2513964]msg #11[/post] of thread 'Do black holes "evaporate" or go "bang"?', I have given a table of different sized black holes, with their mass, power output and temperature. The formulae to calculate these is also given.

As noted above, the power output is inversely proportional to mass squared. The formula for power output in Watts by Hawking radiation for a simple non-rotating hole of mass M kg is
[tex] \frac{\hbar c^6}{15360 \pi G^2} M^{-2}[/tex]​
 
srfriggen said:
Does hawking radiation act in the opposite way? that the smaller the mass the faster the rate of decay?

Yes, and since a black hole's temperature and radiation are related, a black hole has negative specific heat, which, speaking very loosely, means the following. Place a black hole in a fridge. When the black hole is taken out of the fridge, it is hotter than when it was put into the fridge. Place a black hole in an oven. When the black hole is taken out of the oven, it is cooler than when it was put into the oven.
Nabeshin said:
Yes, the power radiated through the hawking mechanism is inversely proportional to mass (squared, actually).

The wiki page has some nice derivations that aren't terribly involved, so that would be a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_Radiation

This looks similar to a post I made here,

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=205711.
 
I was taught that the smaller the mass, the slower the rate of decay
Most probably that meant the mass difference between the decaying nucleus and the decay products.
Or, if it really meant the mass of the nucleus: that works differently than gravitation. Gravitation tends to keep things together: the bigger the things, the more gravitation, the tighter the binding and the longer the life time.
In a nucleus, the only long-reaching force is the electrostatic repulsion of the protons. The more protons, the more repulsion, the weaker the binding, the shorter the life time.
 

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