Heat and Internal Energy - Thermodynamics

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving heat transfer between water at different temperatures and the implications of phase changes, specifically focusing on the heat and internal energy concepts. The original poster presents a scenario with water and ice, exploring the calculations needed to find the final temperature after mixing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of heat transfer equations, particularly questioning when to use the latent heat equation. There is exploration of the setup for problems involving phase changes and the need to account for latent heat in calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on the setup of equations and the role of latent heat. There is a recognition of the need to consider phase changes in calculations, and some participants confirm the understanding of the concepts involved, though uncertainty remains about specific applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the latent heat values for substances like water can be referenced, and there is a distinction made between latent heat of fusion and latent heat of vaporization. The discussion also highlights the importance of considering the direction of phase changes in calculations.

Marcin H
Messages
306
Reaction score
6

Homework Statement


10g of water at 0˚C added to 100g water at 50˚C

Homework Equations


Qhot+Qcold=0
Q=mcΔT
Q=mL
Σmc(Tf-Ti)=0

The Attempt at a Solution


So I understand this problem, but I'm not sure when I am supposed to use Q=mL, L being the latency, I think. So with the problem mentioned you can do:

mw*cw(Tf-0) + mw*cw(Tf-50) = 0 and solve for Tf. Tf= 45.45˚K

What if I had a problem like
10g ice at 0˚C added to 100g water at 50˚C? Do you write the equation step by step starting at ice? And do I use Q=mL to account for phase changes only? [solid to liquid] and [liquid to gas]?

mice*cice(Tf-0) + mL +mw*cw(Tf-50) = 0

Solve for TF. I think this is set up correctly, but I am not sure. Can you explain the mL part more? Is that the mass of ice * the latency of ice? This is where I get confused on how to do these problems.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Marcin H said:
mw*cw(Tf-0) + mw*cw(Tf-50) = 0 and solve for Tf. Tf= 45.45˚K
Careful with the units there.

Marcin H said:
What if I had a problem like
10g ice at 0˚C added to 100g water at 50˚C? Do you write the equation step by step starting at ice? And do I use Q=mL to account for phase changes only? [solid to liquid] and [liquid to gas]?
Yes.

Marcin H said:
mice*cice(Tf-0) + mL +mw*cw(Tf-50) = 0

Solve for TF. I think this is set up correctly, but I am not sure. Can you explain the mL part more? Is that the mass of ice * the latency of ice?.
Yes. Starting from ice, you have to convert the water from a solid to a liquid first, and that will require heat.
 
DrClaude said:
Yes. Starting from ice, you have to convert the water from a solid to a liquid first, and that will require heat.

Would you have to do this any time there is a phase change?? No matter what direction, ie liquid to solid or solid to liquid and all the rest. Will the latent heat be given for each phase if there is one?
Screen Shot 2016-02-07 at 5.48.14 PM.png
 
Marcin H said:
Would you have to do this any time there is a phase change?? No matter what direction, ie liquid to solid or solid to liquid and all the rest. Will the latent heat be given for each phase if there is one?
View attachment 95499
With a substance like water, the values of the latent heat can be looked up.

Remember, the latent heat of fusion ≠ latent heat of vaporization.
 
SteamKing said:
With a substance like water, the values of the latent heat can be looked up.

Remember, the latent heat of fusion ≠ latent heat of vaporization.
Ok, thanks!
 
Yes, you have to take into account latent heat for any phase transition. Pay also attention to the sign of the change: for example, when going from solid to liquid, heat enters the substance without any change in temperature, while going from liquid to solid, heat is released from the substance without any change in temperature.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Marcin H

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
6K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
10K