Heat-driven chemical reaction and thermodynamics

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The discussion centers on the efficiency of cracking water into hydrogen and oxygen using heat and a catalyst. It highlights the misconception that the process can achieve 100% efficiency. While energy input is used to break chemical bonds, not all energy is converted into chemical energy; some is lost as heat. The efficiency of the process is further complicated when considering the need to cool the hydrogen-oxygen mixture for practical applications, which results in additional energy loss due to heat capacity. Calculations reveal that the energy retained in the gases after cracking is significantly less than the energy released when burning the hydrogen-oxygen mixture, indicating substantial energy loss, particularly through exothermic reactions like zinc with water. This underscores the importance of understanding energy transformations and losses in chemical processes.
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If we use heat and a catalyst to crack water into oxygen and hydrogen, how can the efficiency of the process ever be less than 100%? Every joule that doesn't crack open the bonds and end up in the chemical energy of the products must end up as heat, and then we're back at square one.

I'm clearly doing something wrong here, but what?
 
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This depends on your definition of efficiency. The way you look at it, you are right. But, if for example you want to use the hydrogen oxygen mixture to use it e.g. as a fuel, you have to cool it down again to room temperature. Even if you do so avoiding back reaction, you have to carry off a lot of heat stored in the heat capacity of the gases which then is lost.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_zinc-oxide_cycle

(I know, it's wikipedia but still)

The products of the process are oxygen at 2173K and hydrogen at 700K, how could these possibly contain 60% of the used energy?

2173 * 0.8888 (O2 in 1kg of water) * 918 (heat capacity of oxygen) = 1771.4 KJ
700 * 0.11111 (H2) * 14304 (heat capacity of hydrogen) = 1112.4 KJ
sum: 2883.8 KJ.

But H2/O2 when burned releases ~13400 KJ of energy per kilogram of mix, so what happens to the ~17200KJ that is missing from the equation?
 
The reaction of zink with water is exothermic and the heat is given off to the surrounding. I suppose that is where most energy is lost.
 
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