Heat Equation in cylindrical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around solving the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates for large bales of hay, focusing on the maximum steady-state temperature under varying moisture conditions. Participants explore the mathematical formulation, boundary conditions, and integration steps necessary to determine temperature profiles and maximum temperatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates and presents the equation after simplification.
  • Another participant suggests integrating the equation and applying boundary conditions to find constants of integration.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of boundary conditions, particularly regarding the temperature at the outer radius of the bale.
  • Some participants express confusion about the boundary condition relating heat conduction and convection, questioning if it is derived from an energy balance.
  • One participant calculates a maximum temperature based on their integration but doubts the correctness of their result.
  • Another participant asserts that the calculated maximum temperature is correct based on the provided data.

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Participants express differing views on the boundary conditions and the interpretation of the heat transfer mechanisms. There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculated maximum temperature, with some participants agreeing with the calculations while others question them.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of boundary conditions and assumptions regarding the relationship between conduction and convection heat transfer. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Large, cylindrical bales of hay used to feed livestock in
the winter months are D = 2 m in diameter and are
stored end-to-end in long rows. Microbial energy generation
occurs in the hay and can be excessive if the
farmer bales the hay in a too-wet condition. Assuming
the thermal conductivity of baled hay to be
k = 0.04 W/m*K, determine the maximum steady-state
hay temperature for dry hay (q,dot = 1W/m3), moist hay
(q,dot = 10 W/m3), and wet hay (q,dot = 100 W/m3). Ambient
conditions are T,infinity = 0 degrees C and h = 25 W/m2*K.

I believe I have to use the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates for this problem. Simplifying most terms, I have: (1/r)(d/dr)(k*r*dT/dr) + q,dot = 0, where q,dot is the heat generation term. I integrated this equation and got: T(r) = (-q,dot*r^2)/(4*k) + C1*r + C2, where C1 and C2 are constants of integration. I'm having trouble figuring out the boundary conditions and so, can't find C1, C2. Once I get the constants of integration, I'd find where dT/dr = 0 to get the radial distance r in which there is a maximum temperature. If anyone has any idea, thanks in advance.
 
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eurekameh said:
Large, cylindrical bales of hay used to feed livestock in
the winter months are D = 2 m in diameter and are
stored end-to-end in long rows. Microbial energy generation
occurs in the hay and can be excessive if the
farmer bales the hay in a too-wet condition. Assuming
the thermal conductivity of baled hay to be
k = 0.04 W/m*K, determine the maximum steady-state
hay temperature for dry hay (q,dot = 1W/m3), moist hay
(q,dot = 10 W/m3), and wet hay (q,dot = 100 W/m3). Ambient
conditions are T,infinity = 0 degrees C and h = 25 W/m2*K.

I believe I have to use the heat equation in cylindrical coordinates for this problem. Simplifying most terms, I have: (1/r)(d/dr)(k*r*dT/dr) + q,dot = 0, where q,dot is the heat generation term. I integrated this equation and got: T(r) = (-q,dot*r^2)/(4*k) + C1*r + C2, where C1 and C2 are constants of integration. I'm having trouble figuring out the boundary conditions and so, can't find C1, C2. Once I get the constants of integration, I'd find where dT/dr = 0 to get the radial distance r in which there is a maximum temperature. If anyone has any idea, thanks in advance.

First integrate once to get:

[tex]r\frac{dT}{dr}-(r\frac{dT}{dr})_{r=0}=-\frac{q r^2}{2k}[/tex]

The second term on the left hand side is equal to zero. Then integrate again using the boundary condition T = T0 at r = 0. You can find the value of T0 by making use of the boundary condition at the outer radius of the bale.
 
I'm not really understanding the second term on the left hand side. Is it your first constant of integration?

I have T(r) = (-q*r^2)/(4*k) + T,0 after integrating again and using that boundary condition that T(0) = T,0.
To find the maximum, I should integrate this to get dT/dr = (-q*r)/(2k) and set it equal to 0. This only gives me r = 0. So the maximum temperature occurs at r = 0, where the maximum temperature is T(0) = T,0. How do I find T,0? Something seems to me.
 
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eurekameh said:
I'm not really understanding the second term on the left hand side. Is it your first constant of integration?

I have T(r) = (-q*r^2)/(4*k) + T,0 after integrating again and using that boundary condition that T(0) = T,0.
To find the maximum, I should integrate this to get dT/dr = (-q*r)/(2k) and set it equal to 0. This only gives me r = 0. So the maximum temperature occurs at r = 0, where the maximum temperature is T(0) = T,0. How do I find T,0? Something seems to me.

Yes. That's right. All I did was integrate once between definite limits r = 0 and r = arbitrary r. This shows that your constant C1 is equal to zero. Now, how do you calculate T0 from the information given. Let rB equal the outer radius of your bale, and let Tb equal the temperature at the outer radius. Then, you need to satisfy the boundary condition:
[tex]-k(\frac{dT}{dr})_{r = r_b}=hT_b[/tex]

So substitute in and solve for T0.
 
How are you getting that boundary condition? Why is the heat flux due to conduction equal to the heat flux due to convection? Are you doing an energy balance?

I don't think the temperature at the outer radius Tb is given, unless Tb = T,infinity = 0 celsius.
 
eurekameh said:
How are you getting that boundary condition? Why is the heat flux due to conduction equal to the heat flux due to convection? Are you doing an energy balance?

I don't think the temperature at the outer radius Tb is given, unless Tb = T,infinity = 0 celsius.
There's convection outside the cylinder, and conduction inside the cylinder. The heat flux due to conduction has to match the heat flux due to conduction at the boundary of the cylinder.

[tex]T_0 -\frac{qr_b^2}{4k}=T_b[/tex]

[tex]-k(\frac{dT}{dr})_{r=r_b}=\frac{qr_b}{2}=h(T_0 -\frac{qr_b^2}{4k})[/tex]
 
I solved for T,0 with the last equation and when plugging in values for q,dot = 1 W/m^3, I'm getting T,0 = 6.27 K. And so, T(r) = (-q,dot*r^2)/(4*k) + 6.27. Thus, T,max = 6,27 K, but this answer is wrong.
 
eurekameh said:
I solved for T,0 with the last equation and when plugging in values for q,dot = 1 W/m^3, I'm getting T,0 = 6.27 K. And so, T(r) = (-q,dot*r^2)/(4*k) + 6.27. Thus, T,max = 6,27 K, but this answer is wrong.

For the data you gave, that's the correct answer.
 

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