Heat flux through a composite wall

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The discussion revolves around the heat flux through a composite wall made of three different materials, each with constant thermal conductivity. Participants explore the steady-state temperature distribution, relative magnitudes of heat fluxes, and the implications of internal heat generation in one of the materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that in steady-state conditions, the heat flux is constant, leading to the conclusion that q''2 equals q''3.
  • Others question the relationship between the heat fluxes in different materials, particularly whether heat flux in C can equal that in A or B, and whether heat flux in C is always greater than in B.
  • One participant proposes that the heat flux in C is a first-degree polynomial due to internal heat generation, confirming a linear relationship in A and B.
  • There is a discussion about the direction of heat flux, with some suggesting that most heat generated in C should flow to the right, while others clarify that it actually flows to the left due to insulation at the boundary.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the notation used for heat flux and derivatives, with suggestions for consistency in mathematical expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the linear temperature profile in A and B and the nature of heat flux in those materials. However, there is disagreement regarding the heat flux in C, particularly its relationship to the other materials and the implications of internal heat generation. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly concerning the direction of heat flow and the conditions under which heat fluxes can be compared.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their understanding of the heat diffusion equation and the implications of the parabola in C, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in heat transfer, thermal analysis, and the behavior of composite materials in steady-state conditions.

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1. State the problem

A plane wall consisting of three different materials, each of constant thermal conductivity k. Assume steady-state temperature distribution.
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a) Comment on relative magnitudes of q(dot)''2 and q(dot)''3 and of q(dot)''3 and q(dot)''4.

b) Comment on the relative magnitudes of kA and kB and of kB and kC.

c) Sketch the heat flux as a function of x.

Homework Equations



q'' = -k dT/dX
d2T/(dx)2 = 0 for A and B
d2T/(dx)2 = -Qgen/k for c

The Attempt at a Solution


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a)

I will assume that q(dot)'' = q'' (not sure why they wrote q(dot)'', but in the graph it's just q''). Steady state and no heat generation in A and B means that q''2=q''3. In C, the parabola indicates that there's some heat generation occurring, thus q''3<q''4.

b)

Since q''2=q''3 ⇒ kA / kB = Δx12⋅ΔT23 / Δx23⋅ΔT12

kB / kC = ?

d)

Horizontal line through A and B somewhere below the x-axis. Through C I'm not certain. It should be 0 at T4 and the highest at T3.
 
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Heat flux is a flow of heat. Hence the dot in ##\dot q##.
If there is a steady state, there is a constant heat flux (otherwise the temperature would not be constant in time).
Check in your textbook or here to understand the meaning of your relevant equation. The double quote is a derivative wrt x.
Do try to be consistent in your notation ! Better ##\ {d^2T\over dx^2} \ ## than ##\ {d^2t\over dx^2} \ ##.
Your expression is correct, though :smile: !

the parabola indicates that there's some heat generation occurring
which way is the heat flux ? So is it heat generation or does the wall give off heat ?
 
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BvU said:
Heat flux is a flow of heat. Hence the dot in ##\dot q##.
If there is a steady state, there is a constant heat flux (otherwise the temperature would not be constant in time).
Check in your textbook or here to understand the meaning of your relevant equation. The double quote is a derivative wrt x.
Do try to be consistent in your notation ! Better ##\ {d^2T\over dx^2} \ ## than ##\ {d^2t\over dx^2} \ ##.
Your expression is correct, though :smile: !

which way is the heat flux ? So is it heat generation or does the wall give off heat ?

Fixed the notation, thanks!

So, q'' = dq/dx? I thought it was dq/dt.

Heat flux is in the direction of the arrows. Not sure about your other question.
 
Your conclusion about the flux line for A and B is correct. For C, it is a straight line, running from the A/B line at 3 to zero at 4.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Your conclusion about the flux line for A and B is correct. For C, it is a straight line, running from the A/B line at 3 to zero at 4.

Chet

Thanks, Chet!

Does this mean that

a) Heat flux in C can never be equal to heat flux in A or B.
b) Heat flux in C is always greater than heat flux in B.

Furthermore, shouldn't heat flux be the same in all three materials according to conservation of energy?
 
Solved. You may close the thread.
 
One of my colleagues has a signature "Don't tell us that you have found the solution; tell us the solution you have found" ! :rolleyes:
 
Sorry, BvU. Didn't expect anyone to care about my solution.

My solution for a) and c) below.

The easy part: Temperature profile in A and B is linear, thus heat flux through A and B is the same.

The harder part: Heat flux through C?

According to the heat equation, for a steady state problem with internal heat generation:

(q'' should be q(dot)'')

$$
\ {d^2T\over dx^2} \ = -{Q_g\over k}
$$

where $$ Q_g $$ is internal heat generation.

Fourier's law

$$
\frac{-q''}{k} = \frac{dT}{dx}
$$

thus if we use that in our heat equation

$$
\frac{d}{dx}[q''(x)] = Q_g
$$

Ergo, heat flux through C

$$
q''(x) = Q_g\cdot x + c
$$

This is a first degree polynomial. This confirms what Chet wrote earlier. If we picture the graph (horizontal line from 1-3 below the axis, and then a diagonal line to y=0 from 3-4), we see that the magnitude of heat flux in B is always gte than the magnitude of heat flux C.
 
Thanks for posting !
I think I get it. The parabola in C confused me (not an expert, just interested and curious). So this C is some kind of wall heating device and then the rest follows. Most of the heat generated should flow to the right if all is well.
 
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BvU said:
Thanks for posting !
I think I get it. The parabola in C confused me (not an expert, just interested and curious). So this C is some kind of wall heating device and then the rest follows. Most of the heat generated should flow to the right if all is well.
Actually, all the heat generated in C flows to the left. The very right boundary of C is insulated (zero heat flux).

Chet
 
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hence the ##{dT\over dx} = 0 ##, I take it ?
 
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BvU said:
hence the ##{dT\over dx} = 0 ##, I take it ?
Yes. You can see that in the figure.

Chet
 
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Exactly, BvU!

Here's a derivation of the heat diffusion equation:
 

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