Heat, Pressure and Equilbrium in two separate systems

In summary: The steam generator tank was hot, the condenser tank was cool." The steam generator is heating the boiler, not the other way around. It makes little sense to power a turbine off the pressure of a still.
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cooksta
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Hi,

I'm having a bit of a problem, and I'm not sure where to put the question.

So here's a picture

Steam Equilibrium Pt 1.png

Sorry about the picture, Tank B should really be half-full of water and steam. Ignore the turbine part.

I'm trying to create a distillation device and the basic idea I had was to have a boiler that would use a steam generator to heat the boiler. Then add a turbine to the steam generator that would power a dynamo that would power another pump within the cooling tank for the condenser. A self contained system as far as energy is concerned.

Both tank systems were originally closed, so there was no effective heat exchange between the two systems, other than from the distillation of the vapours from the still itself. The steam generator tank was hot, the condenser tank was cool.

I had some weird idea that if I created a closed system, by creating different pressure between the two systems I could effectively have two different temperatures, i.e., maintaining a hotter temperature for the steam generator and cooler temperature for the condenser tank. Thus it would remain a kind of closed system with very few parts.

The question is, all else being equal, will the temperature remain constant in the above system once a certain equilibrium is reached? or, will Tank A be hotter than Tank B?

What are the conditions for that equilbrium?

What is the relationship between Heat, Pressure and Temperature?

I'm sorry if this seems obvious, I just honestly don't even know where to begin with a question like this, as there never seems to be one obvious answer.
 

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cooksta said:
I'm sorry if this seems obvious, I just honestly don't even know where to begin with a question like this, as there never seems to be one obvious answer.

This is a statement that does not fill me with confidence that you should be messing with heated pressurized vessels. Maybe the very first thing you should add to your design is an emergency pressure relief valve. Maybe one on each vessel. But I have a fondness for avoiding human death and dismemberment. Call me a softy.

It is entirely unclear what you are trying to achieve. You say you want to make a distillation device. Um, ok. Usually such a device is not supposed to be a closed system. You put a mixture in at one place. Then at another place you take out the concentrated component you are interested in, and probably at another the material you are less interested in. So, for example, in distilling petroleum products. (In VERY simplified form.) You put crude oil in here. You boil it. You pull gasoline off here. And you pull all the other stuff off there.

So why ever do you want a closed system still? That makes no sense.

Also, if the distillation part is the goal, why would you try to power a turbine off the pressure? Usually the working material in a still is chosen for purposes of producing one or more chemicals at the end. It is not chosen with the idea of making an efficient turbine. If you need to pump things, then provide it with an electric motor to pump. That will probably be more efficient at producing the chemical you want.
 
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"Steam generator" is a ten-dollar term for "boiler". What you are describing is using a boiler to heat another boiler, which is a tad redundant.
 

1. What is heat?

Heat is a form of energy that is transferred from one object to another due to a difference in temperature. It is typically measured in joules (J) or calories (cal).

2. How does pressure affect a system?

Pressure is the force exerted on a unit area. In a closed system, an increase in pressure can cause the molecules to move closer together, resulting in an increase in temperature.

3. What is equilibrium?

Equilibrium is a state of balance where there is no net transfer of energy between two systems. In terms of heat, it is when the temperature of two systems is equal, and there is no longer a transfer of heat between them.

4. How does heat transfer occur in a system?

Heat can be transferred through conduction, convection, or radiation. Conduction is the transfer of heat through direct contact between two objects. Convection is the transfer of heat through the movement of fluids. Radiation is the transfer of heat through electromagnetic waves.

5. How can you change the equilibrium of a system?

The equilibrium of a system can be changed by altering the temperature, pressure, or volume of one or both systems. For example, increasing the temperature of one system will cause heat to transfer to the other system, changing the equilibrium. Similarly, changing the pressure or volume of a system can also affect the equilibrium.

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