Help finding a high power source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a suitable high-power source for a project requiring at least 600 V and 2.5 A DC to drive a magnet wire. Participants explore various options, including transformers, power supplies, and alternative methods such as using a generator with NIB magnets. The conversation includes considerations of safety and cooling requirements associated with high power applications.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a power source capable of delivering 600 V and 2.5 A DC, expressing difficulty in finding affordable options.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the heat generated by the proposed setup, noting that 2.5 A through 250 Ohm results in significant power dissipation.
  • A participant suggests using fewer turns of wire to reduce resistance and increase current, referencing their own lab's power supply for small magnets.
  • Concerns are voiced regarding the safety of working with high voltages and the potential dangers involved in the project.
  • One participant explains their approach to cooling the magnet by wrapping the coil around a hollow steel pipe with cold water flowing through it.
  • A participant describes the requirements for magnetizing a large NIB magnet, detailing their design involving multiple windings to achieve the necessary magnetic field strength.
  • Another participant proposes a generator design using NIB magnets and a diesel-powered motor, outlining a plan to control the incoming potential and rectify the output to DC.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and safety of the proposed methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired power output or the effectiveness of the cooling methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the high risks associated with high voltage equipment and the challenges of cooling in their designs. There are unresolved questions regarding the practicality of using transformers and the specific requirements for the generator setup.

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Hey guys, I'm working on a project and need to try and find a suitable power source to power it. I require a source capable of driving at least a 2.5 A DC through some magnet wire(about 250 ohm) so it needs to be 600 V and up. Problem is, outside of some very expensive power supplies i see online($1500 up), i can't seem to get this type of supply. My other alternative is to use a transformer and bridge it, question is, where can i find a transformer that would meet my requirements? Also, does anyone know if these transformers may be found in something i could perhaps find in a junkyard? any help would be appreciated.

ps, it doesn't have to be a transformer, i should just be able to use it to get 600 V and 2 A DC.

pps, i was thinking of using some NIB magnets and attaching them to my car axle and trying to make a generator out of that, but i don't know how feasible that would be, thoughts?
 
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I know this is not what you asked, but...
How are you planning to cool the magnet? 2.5A in 250 Ohm is 1.5kW= a lot of heat.

One reason why you are finding it difficult to find such a supply (atlthough they do exist) is simply that it is not a good way to do things...

Also, you do realize that you are talking about equipment that could easily kill you or someone else if something goes wrong?
 
the coil will be wrapped around a hollow steel pipe which will have cold water flowing through it, the pipe is 8 cm wide so its a more than adequate heat sink. and yes i know this is uber dangerous, so I've designed everything in a way where i can just run the experiment from a distance.

also you said its not a good way to do things, so then what may i ask is?
 
trini said:
also you said its not a good way to do things, so then what may i ask is?

Use fewer turns (=lower resistance) and a higher current. I just had a look at the small power supply we use for our small lab magnets (which are water-cooled, and still much stronger than anything you can DIY) and it is rated at 50A 60V. The supplies we use for superconducting magnets can deliver much higher currents than that, but can only source a few volts.
Using a higher current will obviously not solve the cooling problem but at least you don't need hundreds of volts across a gadget made from wire where the only insulation is a thin layer of lacquer. I've never even heard of anyone using a high voltage supply with a magnet.

Also, designing the "magnet" part of a big magnet is relatively easy, it is the cooling that is tricky; just wrapping the wire around a pipe is not likely to be enough if you have many layers of wire.

Btw, how strong a magnet are you trying to build? 250 Ohms sounds like a lot of wire.
 
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unfortunately I'm trying to magnetize a rather large NIB magnet and require about 15000 Am to do so, as such my restrictions have been placed by the shape of the magnet as well as the required magnetizing strength, this is why i am using 32G wire, such that i only need one wrap to get my field. Since i am saturating a permanent magnet( which i did not mention sry), a higher than required B field would only be beneficiary as i will just max out on my hysteresis curve. So i am using 2 windings, this will actually take the resistance to 500 ohm thus making my generated required voltage right around 900V (current 1.8A) but still making my B field requirements.

heres my thoughts on the generator idea:

use a 3 cm circular iron block to house a series of small cylindrical NIB magnets(each rated at about 0.2 tesla at the distance i will place them away from the induction coils) so that they form a sort of daisy shaped object. I will then attach the block to a diesel powered motor(rated at about 4000 rpm) and use a resistive network to control the incoming potential, and then rectify the filtered wave to DC.
 

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