Help in understanding a question about a pebble and a wheel and friction....

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a wheel rolling with velocity V and a pebble placed on top. It clarifies that "sliding" refers to the pebble moving downward on the wheel's surface while still maintaining contact. The condition for the pebble to start sliding is defined mathematically, specifically when the wheel rotates through a certain angle θ. Participants emphasize the importance of visualizing the scenario, suggesting that a free-body diagram would aid in understanding the forces at play. Overall, the conversation focuses on the mechanics of the pebble's motion in relation to the wheel's rotation and friction.
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Homework Statement



A wheel of radius R rolls along the ground with velocity V. A pebble is carefully released on top of the wheel so that it is instaneously at the rest on the wheel. Show that in the case ##V < \sqrt{Rg}## and the coefficient of friction is ##\mu = 1## the pebble starts to slide when it is rotated through an angle given by ##\theta = \arccos (1/\sqrt{2}(V^2/Rg)) - \pi/4##

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I would attempt at the solution if only I understand what its by "sliding" in the question ? Does it mean that the pebble will fly off the wheel ? or its accelaration is zero ?
 
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Buffu said:

Homework Statement



A wheel of radius R rolls along the ground with velocity V. A pebble is carefully released on top of the wheel so that it is instaneously at the rest on the wheel. Show that in the case ##V < \sqrt{Rg}## and the coefficient of friction is ##\mu = 1## the pebble starts to slide when it is rotated through an angle given by ##\theta = \arccos (1/\sqrt{2}(V^2/Rg)) - \pi/4##

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The Attempt at a Solution



I would attempt at the solution if only I understand what its by "sliding" in the question ? Does it mean that the pebble will fly off the wheel ? or its accelaration is zero ?
Can you post a picture of the problem? It's kind of hard to help when I can't visualize the situation. Thanks.
 
berkeman said:
Can you post a picture of the problem? It's kind of hard to help when I can't visualize the situation. Thanks.
There was no picture in the book.
 
Buffu said:
There was no picture in the book.
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Initially, the pebble stays in rest on the wheel moving together with the rim. When the wheel turns by angle theta, then the pebble starts to slide on the surface downward. Draw the free-body diagram.
 
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Initially, the pebble stays in rest on the wheel moving together with the rim. When the wheel turns by angle theta, then the pebble starts to slide on the surface downward. Draw the free-body diagram.

When it slide is it still on contact with the surface ?
 
Buffu said:
When it slide is it still on contact with the surface ?
Yes.
 
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