Help Picking Out PNP Transistor for 0-5V Load Control

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The discussion revolves around selecting a PNP transistor for controlling a load with a 0-5V signal, specifically for a high-side switch application. Participants explore the challenges of using a 2N5400 transistor and consider alternatives such as relays and NPN transistors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in achieving a complete off state for the load with a PNP transistor when the control signal is at 5V.
  • Another participant inquires about the chip's output voltage when the transistor is supposed to be off.
  • It is noted that the emitter of the transistor is at 28V while the base is at 5V, complicating the control logic.
  • Some participants suggest inverting the control logic to turn on the transistor when the output is high, but this is deemed unsuitable for the original application.
  • A proposed solution involves using an NPN transistor as a level shifter to amplify the control signal for the PNP transistor.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of an inductor in the load and potential issues with inductive kick-back during turn-off.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of a protection diode in the circuit, with some clarifying its implied presence in the original diagram.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to control the load, with multiple competing views on using PNP versus NPN transistors and the potential use of relays. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the specific application requirements that restrict the use of low-side switching and the need for further optimization of circuit values. There is also uncertainty regarding the implications of using inductive loads and the necessity of protective components.

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Hi, I'm trying to set up a PNP switch that looks like the attached file. However, the only way I can have the load be completely off is if my 'chip output' is >>5v, only if it's = to Vs.

I'm new to this, help would be appreciated.

What should I look for when picking out a transistor so that I can control my load with 0-5V?

Currently I'm using a 2N5400 and it's not doing the trick...
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EDIT - so i did a little reading and it looks like I can't do what I want to do. It looks like my only option is a relay if I want a high-side switch. Is this correct?

I didnt want to do the relay because all I really need is 28V @ 300mA. A low-side switch is out of the question due to the specifics of my application.
 

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What is the chip's output voltage when the transistor is supposed to be off?
 
5V is all I have to play with. I need 5V to control 28V
 
1 Are you saying the emitter of the transistor is at 28 V?

2 Is it possible to invert your logic, turning on the transistor when the chip's output is high instead of low?
 
skeptic2 said:
1 Are you saying the emitter of the transistor is at 28 V?

2 Is it possible to invert your logic, turning on the transistor when the chip's output is high instead of low?

1 - yes, the emitter is at 28V. The base is at 5V.

2 - Unfortunately not, because of the specifics of my application. I can make it work that way, with an NPN transistor instead of a PNP, however because of what my switch looks like I can't "switch ground" in the full application. I can get it to work for one switch, but not for all 3. That's why I want a "high side switch" versus the "low side switch" you're implying.

In summary, with an NPN I can get my 5V to "control" my 28V no problem. With the PNP, no dice. Looks like I need a relay.
 
Attached is a circuit that should work although some of the values may have to be tweaked. Also I did not optimize the values.

The NPN is a level shifter that amplifies the output voltage of the chip to the level needed by the PNP. The two circuits show the voltages for both high and low output voltages of the chip.

I hope this helps.
 

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skeptic2 said:
Attached is a circuit that should work although some of the values may have to be tweaked. Also I did not optimize the values.

The NPN is a level shifter that amplifies the output voltage of the chip to the level needed by the PNP. The two circuits show the voltages for both high and low output voltages of the chip.

I hope this helps.

This is really cool because I can build it in house, without ordering more hardware. Thanks a lot for the CKT I'm going to go give this a shot.
 
skeptic2 said:
Attached is a circuit that should work although some of the values may have to be tweaked. Also I did not optimize the values.

The NPN is a level shifter that amplifies the output voltage of the chip to the level needed by the PNP. The two circuits show the voltages for both high and low output voltages of the chip.

I hope this helps.

Nice circuit, skeptic. Why did you show an inductor in the load, though? Was it left over from a previous application, or did the OP say that there is a inductor in his load (I could have missed it)?

The reason I ask is because it looks at first glance like there could be an inductive kick-back (down) issue potentially at turn-off. Did you simulate what the transient looks like?


EDIT -- Oh, I now see an implied protection diode in the OP figure. Sorry I missed that earlier.
 
I saw the relay in the diagram but the OP never mentioned he was using the circuit with a relay. Originally I just had the resistor but then I wondered if he was planning to use it with a relay, he might be confused with just a resistor. I probably should have added the diode even though the transistor he's using is a high voltage one.

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/fairchild/2N5400.pdf
 
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Ah, got it. I saw the 40V 2907 in your simulation circuit, and missed the higher voltage 5400 in the OP. :blushing:
 

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