Help: tension of a line with a hanging weight?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a horizontal rope tied between two walls with a weight suspended from its midpoint, causing the rope to sag. The main focus is on determining the tension in the rope and the forces exerted on the hooks. The subject area relates to mechanics, specifically tension and equilibrium in static systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss resolving vectors into components and the implications of equilibrium in the system. There are attempts to relate the geometry of the setup to the forces involved, with some questioning how to derive necessary angles and components from the given information.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have suggested drawing force triangles and using geometry to find angles, while others express confusion about the information needed to proceed. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks certain information, such as the angles of the tension forces, which complicates the analysis. There is also mention of a teaching assistant's guidance regarding the angle, but clarity on how to utilize that information remains a point of contention.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal rope is tightly tied to hooks between two walls separated by a distance of 5m. A 100 Newton weight is suspended from the middle fo the rope and it sags so that the middle of the rope is displaced a distance of .25 meters.

a) what's the tension in the rope?
b) what are the horizontal and vertical forces are exerted on the hooks?


Homework Equations


I have no idea how to solve this.


The Attempt at a Solution


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We've been resolving vectors into their components using
A*sin(A's θ)= Ayi
A*cos(B's θ)= Axj

Then
Resultant = sqrt(sumX^2 + sumY^2)
Resultant θ = arctan(Y/X)
Equilibrant θ= Rθ + 180

I just don't know what to do with the info I have. 100N seems to be the only force I have to work with. It looks like a vector component y.

I assume I need to fine the force of the hypotenuse vector I need to find it in the direction toward θ1? But I keep going around in circles trying to figure it out.
 
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I also thought of going about it in a similar fashion to how we did the force table exercise by making a circle and having all the vector components sum to zero? (is that correct on how it should work? But I'm lose at getting the rest of the info i need.

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bump?
When I asked this, I had already turned in the lab with this question unanswered. The ta announced on his website that, since it's easier for him to grade correct answers, he wants to help us. He was absolutely no help. He told me that since I had the angle, I could answer the question.

anyone?
 
Because the weight is in the middle, it means that the tension forces are equal in magnitude. The system is also at equilibrium. This means two things:
-The horizontal components are equal and cancel each other out.
-The vertical components are equal, and the two added together must equal the weight.

From this, we can draw a triangle to represent this scenario. The only problem is that we don't have the angles. To get the angles, we draw another triangle. This triangles sides will be 0.25m and the 5m, you have to draw it. Grab the angles, transpose them to the force triangle.

Once you have your force triangle you can answer (a, to get (b, you will need to do some geometry to get one right-angled triangle, from which you can grab the height and length.

Also remember that force is a vector, so it needs a direction.
 
willpower101 said:
bump?
When I asked this, I had already turned in the lab with this question unanswered. The ta announced on his website that, since it's easier for him to grade correct answers, he wants to help us. He was absolutely no help. He told me that since I had the angle, I could answer the question.

anyone?

The angle which you are getting is correct.Let the tensions be T_1 and T_2. We have already got the angle.

So now as the block has no horizontal motion, the x components of the tension in both the strings are equal to each other.

Now there is no vertical motion also,so the summation of the y components of both the strings is equal to the weight of the block.

Solve both the equations simultaneosly and you get the answer.
 

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