Help understanding this integral solution using trig substitution please

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The discussion centers on the integral ∫[x^2*dx/sqrt(9+x^2)] and the use of trigonometric substitution. The substitution x = 3tan(t) leads to dx = 3sec^2(t)dt, but there is debate over the clarity of expressing this as 3(1 + tan^2(t))dt versus using sec^2(t). Participants question the necessity of using secant and cosecant functions, suggesting that simpler forms may be more accessible. The conversation highlights differences in educational backgrounds and notation preferences in teaching calculus. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of clarity in mathematical explanations and the varying approaches to teaching trigonometric derivatives.
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Homework Statement
∫[x^2*dx/sqrt(9+x^2)]
Relevant Equations
sqrt(1+tan^2(a))~sqrt(a^2+U^2)
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Here's the answer:
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Could you explain the highlighted part for me? Thank you very much!
 
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Memo said:
Homework Statement: ∫[x^2*dx/sqrt(9+x^2)]
Relevant Equations: sqrt(1+tan^2(a))~sqrt(a^2+U^2)

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Here's the answer:
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Could you explain the highlighted part for me? Thank you very much!
If ##x = 3\tan(t)##, then ##dx = 3\sec^2(t)dt = 3(\tan^2(t) + 1)dt##
The part where they have ##\frac{3dt}{\cos^2(t)}## isn't very helpful, IMO. Better to just replace ##\sec^2(t)## with ##1 + \tan^2(t)##.
 
Mark44 said:
The part where they have ##\frac{3dt}{\cos^2(t)}## isn't very helpful
That was just from the step of taking the derivative of sin/cos.
 
FactChecker said:
That was just from the step of taking the derivative of sin/cos.
I guess aka ##sec^2 tdt##
 
FactChecker said:
That was just from the step of taking the derivative of sin/cos.
Why not just go directly to the derivative of the tangent function?
 
Mark44 said:
Why not just go directly to the derivative of the tangent function?
I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they wanted to keep the required background to just derivative of sin, cos, and the quotient rule.
 
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Mark44 said:
Why not just go directly to the derivative of the tangent function?
The derivative of ##tan(x)## is ##\frac1{cos^2(x)}=sec^2(x)##.
 
martinbn said:
The derivative of ##tan(x)## is ##\frac1{cos^2(x)}=sec^2(x)##.
Yes, I realize that. My point was in explaining why ##x = 3\tan(t)## implies that ##dx = 3\sec^2(t)dt = 3(1 + \tan^2(t))dt##.
 
Mark44 said:
Yes, I realize that. My point was in explaining why ##x = 3\tan(t)## implies that ##dx = 3\sec^2(t)dt = 3(1 + \tan^2(t))dt##.
What was problem with the explanation ##dx = \frac{3dt}{cos^2(t)} = 3(1 + \tan^2(t))dt##.
 
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martinbn said:
What was problem with the explanation ##dx = \frac{3dt}{cos^2(t)} = 3(1 + \tan^2(t))dt##.
Assuming someone knows the derivatives of all six circular trig functions, why would someone write ##\frac{d\tan(t)}{dt}## as ##\frac 1 {\cos^2(t)}## and not just go directly to ##\sec^2(t)##?
I'm not saying what was written was incorrect, just that it was more complicated than was necessary.
 
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Mark44 said:
Assuming someone knows the derivatives of all six circular trig functions, why would someone write ##\frac{d\tan(t)}{dt}## as ##\frac 1 {\cos^2(t)}## and not just go directly to ##\sec^2(t)##?
I'm not saying what was written was incorrect, just that it was more complicated than was necessary.
Where I come from ##sec## and ##csc## are not used at all. For someone like me the derivative of tangent is one over cosine squared.
 
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martinbn said:
Where I come from ##sec## and ##csc## are not used at all. For someone like me the derivative of tangent is one over cosine squared.
I have taught college-level mathematics for 20+ years. Every calculus textbook I've ever seen presents all six circular trig functions as well as their derivatives.
 
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Mark44 said:
I have taught college-level mathematics for 20+ years. Every calculus textbook I've ever seen presents all six circular trig functions as well as their derivatives.
Yes, and when I went to the US and thought calculus, I learned the notations for ##\frac1{\cos(x)}## and ##\frac1{\sin(x)}##. But where I grew up there were no such functions.
 

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