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Homework Statement


Let S(t) represent the amount of a chemical reactant present at time t, where t>= 0. Assume that S(t) can be determined by solving the initial value problem
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where a, K, and S0 are positive constants. Obtain an implicit solution of the initial value problem. (The differential equation, often referred to as the Michaelis-Menten equation, arises in the study of biochemical reactions.)


The Attempt at a Solution


\frac{dS}{dt} = \frac{aS}{K + S}

\int\frac{K + S}{aS} = \intdt

ln(aS)(\frac{S^2}{2}+KS) = t

I'm not even sure how to begin to solve for S
 
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cowmoo32 said:
...where a, K, and S0 are positive constants. Obtain an implicit solution of the initial value problem. (The differential equation, often referred to as the Michaelis-Menten equation, arises in the study of biochemical reactions.)...

Technically, if all you need is an implicit solution, then you're almost done - you never need to solve for S(t)... With an implicit solution, all you need is an equation which relates S and t. S and t are related by the expression you came to at the end: ln(aS)(S22+KS) = t. Moreover, that ODE doesn't have a solution S(t) in terms of elementary functions. You need the Lambert W-function to express it.

However, I would caution you that your integral seems to be missing a minus sign. Moreover, when I come up with the implicit solution, I get a completely different answer...

<br /> \int -\frac{K+S}{aS}dS=\int dt\\<br /> \Rightarrow \int -\frac{K}{aS}-\frac{S}{aS}dS=t+c\\<br /> \Rightarrow \int -\frac{K}{aS}-\frac{1}{a}dS=t+c\\<br /> \Rightarrow -\frac{1}{a}(K\ln (S(t))+S(t))=t+C<br />

(I'm not sure where you went wrong, but this is what you should be doing.)
Now, can you see what you need to do? Your constant of integration C is still there, but you have an initial condition S(0)=S_0...
 
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cowmoo32 said:
\int\frac{K + S}{aS} = \intdt

ln(aS)(\frac{S^2}{2}+KS) = t

That antiderivative isn't correct. You can't do
$$\int \frac{K+S}{aS}dS = \int\frac 1 {aS}dS\int K+S\, dS$$












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christoff said:
Technically, if all you need is an implicit solution, then you're almost done - you never need to solve for S(t)... With an implicit solution, all you need is an equation which relates S and t. S and t are related by the expression you came to at the end: ln(aS)(S22+KS) = t. Moreover, that ODE doesn't have a solution S(t) in terms of elementary functions. You need the Lambert W-function to express it.

However, I would caution you that your integral seems to be missing a minus sign. Moreover, when I come up with the implicit solution, I get a completely different answer...

<br /> \int -\frac{K+S}{aS}dS=\int dt\\<br /> \Rightarrow \int -\frac{K}{aS}-\frac{S}{aS}dS=t+c\\<br /> \Rightarrow \int -\frac{K}{aS}-\frac{1}{a}dS=t+c\\<br /> \Rightarrow -\frac{1}{a}(K\ln (S(t))+S(t))=t+C<br />

(I'm not sure where you went wrong, but this is what you should be doing.)
Now, can you see what you need to do? Your constant of integration C is still there, but you have an initial condition S(0)=S_0...
I'll give it another go and see what I come up with.

LCKurtz said:
That antiderivative isn't correct. You can't do
$$\int \frac{K+S}{aS}dS = \int\frac 1 {aS}dS\int K+S\, dS$$
You're right. I meant to split them into two fractions, not separate the numerator from the denominator.
 
ok, so I get <br /> -\frac{K}{a}(\ln (S(t))+S(t)=t+C<br />

Substituting S(0)=S0. I can't get the tex code correct, but I'm replacing S(t) with S0. When I solve for C, I get the entire equation =0, which isn't correct.
 
cowmoo32 said:
ok, so I get


<br /> -\frac{K}{a}(\ln (S(t))+S(t)=t+C<br />

Substituting S(0)=S0. I can't get the tex code correct, but I'm replacing S(t) with S0. When I solve for C, I get the entire equation =0, which isn't correct.

That should be$$-\frac{1}{a}(K\ln S(t)+S(t))=t+C$$
When you put ##t=0## and ##S(0) = S_0## in that equation you get$$
-\frac{1}{a}(K\ln (S_0)+S_0)=C$$Put that in for ##C## in the top equation.
 
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