Help with a simple probability problem

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The problem involves calculating probabilities related to the selection of motorcycle drivers, specifically focusing on the likelihood of selecting a certain number of female drivers from a larger population where the probability of selecting a male is significantly higher.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to calculate the probability of selecting exactly 8 women out of 20 drivers, as well as the probability of selecting at least 8 women. They express confusion about the implications of multiple selections and the difference between "exactly" and "at least" in probability terms.

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Some participants provide insights into the mathematical formulation of the problem, discussing the use of combinations and the binomial probability formula. There is an acknowledgment of the need to adjust calculations for the order of selections and the total number of combinations. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note that the problem's setup involves a large population, allowing for the assumption of independence in selections. There is also mention of simplifying calculations by considering complementary probabilities for certain scenarios.

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Ok, this seems like an easy enough problem, but I'm stumped...

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If a motorcycle driver is selected at random from the US population, the probability of that driver being a male is 0.95
If 20 motorcycle drivers are selected at random from the population, what is the probability that exactly 8 will be women? What is the probability that at least 8 will be women?
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I've got that the chance of selecting a female is 1/20. And because the population is so large I can treat the events as independent.

I can easily find the probability of selecting 8 women in a row. What's throwing me off is the fact that there are 20 selections, so I know that the probability of selecting 8 total isn't going to be the same as selecting 8 in a row. I can't figure out how to account for the fact that 20 selections increases the probability of 8 women being selected.
I'm also thrown off by the at least 8 vs. exactly 8 part of the problem.

Any hints would be great. Thanks! :biggrin:
-GeoMike-
 
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if event A has a probability p of occurring, and an event B has a probability 1-p of occurring, and one event or the other occurs n times, you can characterize the probability by

pk(1-p)n-k

where k is the number of times A happens (this assumes order counts. In your problem it doesn't, so you'll need to fix it for that)
 
Ok, that makes sense. So, the probability of getting 8 females and 12 males (in a specific combination) would be:

(1/20)8(19/20)12

To account for the fact that any arrangement of 8 females and 12 males is acceptable, I'd just multiply that probability by the total number of combinations:

(20!/(12!*8!)) * (1/20)8(19/20)12 = P(exactly 8 women)

Right?

And to find P(at least 8 women) I'd just sum the probabilities of exactly 8 through exactly 20 women:

[tex]\sum_{i=8}^{20}{\frac{20!}{(20-i)!i!}(1/20)^{x}(19/20)^{20-x}}[/tex]

Right?

Thanks,
-GeoMike-
 
of course, you'll have fewer things to sum of you do 0 to 7 females... and something about 1-p

Although, in this case, it's not that big a deal. But, if it was "at least 2 females", it'd be far quicker to find the probabilities of 0 females and 1 female, then subtracting from 1.
 

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