Help with Experiment of Capturing soot with steam

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The discussion revolves around an experimental setup aimed at capturing soot from an exhaust pipe using steam. Participants explore the design and functionality of a steam heat exchanger, the implications of adding components to the exhaust system, and the overall methodology for sampling soot under varying conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) describes a method involving a steam heat exchanger to convert soot and steam into water and steam, with concerns about the potential impact on soot integrity when measured with a Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM).
  • Some participants question the necessity of an additional steam generator, noting that steam is already present in the exhaust gases.
  • One participant raises concerns about how modifications to the exhaust line could affect backpressure and engine efficiency, although the OP indicates that their primary goal is to sample soot without regard for these effects.
  • The OP explains the operational mechanics of the ejector system, detailing how high-pressure compressed air is used to create a low-pressure environment to suck in exhaust gases.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the motive behind the experimental setup, questioning whether it is for research purposes or to modify an existing operation.
  • The OP clarifies that the experiment is for academic purposes and describes the function of the ejector in mixing high-pressure and low-pressure gases to facilitate soot sampling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and concern regarding the experimental setup, with no clear consensus on the necessity of the steam generator or the implications of adding components to the exhaust system. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations related to the assumptions about steam generation and the effects of backpressure on engine performance, which remain unaddressed in the discussion.

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Hi
I'm doing an experiment to capture exhaust pipe's soot with steam. You can see in the attachment file the experiment design.
So the problem is that using STEAM HEAT EXCHANGER (is it good??) in order to convert soot+steam to water+steam.
What I've planed is that when the soot+steam gose into the heat exhnager, I take it and put it inside a bucket of water. Then evaporate the water and i will be left of with soot. But what I'm worried about is that soot might die. Because I'm going to measure the soot sample with TEM machine.

And the other idea was using a fan in order to cold down the heat exchanger. so it transfers steam into water. But the heat exchanger that I've got is not in good condition.
If you have any other suggestions please mention it.

thanks
 

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As an aside, have you considered the fact that adding things in your exhaust line will affect the backpressure upstream and likely reduce engine efficiency?
 
I don't understand the system given in the OP or how it's supposed to work but I would like to ask a question.Steam is one of the exhaust gases so why is an additional steam generator necessary?
 
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Travis_King said:
As an aside, have you considered the fact that adding things in your exhaust line will affect the backpressure upstream and likely reduce engine efficiency?

Thanks for your reply.

I didn't consider it and I have to ignore it. Because what i want is only sampling the soot in different speeds with different loads. Then i will use these samples to measure and see how formed the exhaust gas particulate emissions by using X-ray Photoelectron Spectroscopy (XPS), Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) and Scanning electron microscope (SEM). Therefore, adding things in my exhaust line won't be a problem. I'm looking for particulate matters.

Dadface said:
I don't understand the system given in the OP or how it's supposed to work but I would like to ask a question.Steam is one of the exhaust gases so why is an additional steam generator necessary?

Thanks for reply.

Basically the additional steam will make the soot sampling easier in a certain time.


The OP is :

Firstly the compressed air (4 bar - high pressure) gose into the ejector. This will help the ejector to suck the exhaust gas (low pressure).
The gases are coming out from post and pre catalyst and it will be controlled by the valves. Because I'm trying to sample the soots from each one. Post catalyst has ( high temperature) and pre catalyst has ( low temperature); then i will compare the emissions from each one by measuring them.
So from the other end of the ejector the gas comes out with low pressure and high velocity. The gas will be mixed with steam within the pipe. Then it will go toward the heat exchanger. In the heath exchanger the steam will be transfer to water. As a result we will get soot+water. Then we can heat up the water, so we can get the soot sample. BUT this is the part of the system which I'm not sure about it, wether it works or no.
 
If the ejector is pressurized with compressed air (4 Bar) how will it suck exhuaust gas which is at lower pressure.
can you define the motive of this process. i mean is it for experimental purpose or are you trying to modify some existing operation. because steam generation could be a constraint for the process.
 
Ainul Hassan ,

Firstly I'm doing this for an experimental purpose for my project.

Secondly,
There are three connections for the gas ejector.
1-One for the high pressure gas, one for the gas sucked in (or entrained) and one
for the discharge.
2-The gas entrained comes in at the side.
3-There is a nozzle for converting the pressure energy of the high pressure fluid into kinetic energy. Therefore, this change will help for sucking the gas.

The suction point is between the nozzle and diffuser.
The diffuser is located after the nozzle which is mainly designed to mix the two incoming streams.

So basically what ejector does is uses a high pressure fluid to compress low pressure fluid to an intermediate pressure.
 

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