Help with proving this Kepler's laws based theorem

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The discussion revolves around a proposition related to a theorem based on Kepler's laws, specifically focusing on the relationship between a constant radius vector r(t) and its derivative dr/dt. Participants are tasked with proving that r(t) is perpendicular to dr/dt at all times.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of a constant radius vector, with some suggesting that this relates to circular motion. Questions arise about the mathematical proof required, particularly concerning the derivative of the dot product of r with itself.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants providing insights into the implications of the constant nature of r(t) and its derivative. Multiple interpretations of the proof are being discussed, and some guidance has been offered regarding the derivative of r squared.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific mathematical expressions and their relevance to the proof. There is a mention that the context of Kepler may not be directly applicable to the problem at hand.

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the proposition is that if r(t) has a constant length (//r(t)// is constant), then prove that r(t) is perpendicular to dr/dt at all t.


I was thinking that if r(t) is just a function of the radius and its magnitude //r// is constant, then its basically talking about a circle? and by saying prove that r is perpendicular to dr/dt is basically asking to prove that the radius vector is always orthogonal to the velocity v(t) vector? I need a mathematical proof of this proposition using vectors. Thank, you
 
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What is d/dt(r.r)?

BTW Kepler hasn't got much to do with it.
Any wiggly path on the surface of a sphere has constant r.

David
 
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I'm not sure what your asking. this is a general proof so i don't know what d/dt(r.r) is. all the information i have is posted.
 
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i got an idea... would the //x(t)// be equal to the length of the curve of x(t) and therefore //x(t)//=integral(x(t).dx/dt) and since //x(t)// is constant the indefinite integral can only=c if the x(t).dx/dt=0 and so they are perpendicular. Can someone please tell me if all this makes sense?
 
Dvsdvs said:
I'm not sure what your asking. this is a general proof so i don't know what d/dt(r.r) is. all the information i have is posted.

r^2 is constant:


0 = d/dt r^2 = 2 r dot dr/dt
 
Count Iblis said:
0 = d/dt r^2 = 2 r dot dr/dt

oh ok so you're saying that since //r(t)// is constant then //r(t)//^2 is constant which means (r.r) is constant and that derivative which is a dot product is 0. yeah this was easier than i thought my integral solution also works i think
 

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