Help with this integral on page 34 of Analytical Mechanics by John Bohn

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The discussion revolves around an integral related to the action of a simple pendulum as presented in the textbook "Analytical Mechanics" by John Bohn. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the transition between two lines of the integral on page 34, which they describe as complex and messy.

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  • Participants discuss the integral form ##\int_{u}^{v} \sqrt{a-bx^2} {}dx##, noting its familiarity in high-school mathematics. Some mention the presence of constants and suggest that the integrand resembles the form ##\sqrt{A - B\phi^2}##. There are also references to relationships between variables such as ##E## and ##\phi_0##.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the integral's complexity and suggesting approaches for understanding it better. Some guidance is offered regarding substitution methods and connections to trigonometric identities, but no consensus or resolution has been reached.

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Participants note that the integral involves multiple constants, which may complicate the integration process. There is also mention of a specific substitution that could aid in solving the integral, though the original poster's understanding of the integral's setup remains unclear.

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TL;DR Summary: Am stuck on an integral at the bottom of page 34

Hi - I am working thru (by myself) the small textbook by Bohn on Analytical Mechanics. Its very good but am stuck on Page 34, at the bottom. It concerns the "action" of a simple pendulum - I understand the math concept of action as Bohn . I just dont understand how he gets the integral works. ie in the snip attached how he gets from the first line of the integral for A to the second line. The integral looks really, really messy. Any help appreciated. (the book is very, very good - so far!)
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It's the integral ##\int_{u}^{v} \sqrt{a-bx^2} {}dx ## which is even handled in high-school mathematics (at least where I live).
 
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That it has a lot of constants doesn’t really make it much more difficult. In the end, the integrand is on the form ##\sqrt{A - B\phi^2}##.
 
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You will also need to know the relation between ##E## and ##\phi_0##.
 
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here is the result of indefinite integral according to wolfram. It is quite messy and its gonna be even messier if you replace constants a and b with the combined constants you have in your expression.

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=integral+of+\sqrt(a-b\phi^2)+d\phi

if you want to understand the inner workings of calculating this integral, first see that it is the same as $$\sqrt{a} \int\sqrt{1-k^2\phi^2} d\phi$$ for $$ k=\sqrt\frac{b}{a}$$ and then use the substitution $$\phi=\frac{1}{k}\sin \theta$$ to do integration by substitution.

That is gonna be a good practice for you, not only in calculus but in trigonometric identities too.
 
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