Hesienberg Uncertanity Principle

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The discussion revolves around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, specifically addressing the uncertainty relations between position coordinates and their implications in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the concept of commutators and their role in defining uncertainty relations for various observables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the uncertainty principle applying to the coordinates [x,y], suggesting it is typically understood to apply only between position and momentum.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression [x,y] = 0 indicates that the uncertainty relation for x and y reads Δx Δy = 0, and discusses the commutator for angular momentum.
  • Some participants assert that there is no problem with the application of the uncertainty principle to the coordinates, indicating agreement on this point.
  • A later reply explains that the commutator [x, y] is defined as xy - yx and that an uncertainty relation holds for any two non-commuting observables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree that there is no issue with the uncertainty principle's application to coordinates, the initial confusion about the principle's scope indicates that multiple views and interpretations remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the initial participant's confusion regarding the application of the uncertainty principle to coordinates, and the implications of commutation relations are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly students or individuals seeking clarification on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and its broader applications in quantum theory.

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I watched a video about particle physics and there I saw something strange(for me) (link is here) and there in 13:44 I saw [x,y] I didnt understand because I think uncertanity principle exist only between position and momentum but he make uncertanity between two coordinates .Can somebody explain to me how [x,y] works.

Thanks
 
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He explicitly writes

[tex][x,y] = 0[/tex]
[tex][p_x,p_y] = 0[/tex]

So the uncertainty relation for x and y will read

[tex]\Delta x \; \Delta y = 0[/tex]

Then he discusses the commutator for angular momentum.

[tex][L_x,L_y] \neq 0[/tex]

and from that one can derive an uncertainty relation for angular momentum.
 
so there's no problem
 
no, there isn't
 
thanks
 
Quarlep said:
I watched a video about particle physics and there I saw something strange(for me) (link is here) and there in 13:44 I saw [x,y] I didnt understand because I think uncertanity principle exist only between position and momentum but he make uncertanity between two coordinates .Can somebody explain to me how [x,y] works.

Thanks


The expression [x, y] is called the commutator of x and y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator

As you may know it's defined as [x, y] = xy - yx where x and y are any two operators. There's an uncertainty relation for any two observables A and B since [A,B] are what appear in the right hand side and the standard deviations of A and B appear on the left side of the inequality (uncertainty in Q = standard deviation in Q).
 
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An uncertainly relation holds between any two non-commuting observables.
 

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