Homogeneous linear systems with constant coefficients.

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of first-order linear differential equations with constant coefficients, specifically the equations x' = 3x + 4y and y' = -2x - 3y, with initial conditions x(0) = 2 and y(0) = -1. Participants are exploring methods to find the solution and discussing the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss transforming the system into a vector differential equation and the use of eigenvalues and eigenvectors. There are questions about the correctness of the eigenvector calculations and the method of finding solutions. Some suggest alternative methods, such as reducing the system to a single ordinary differential equation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of eigenvectors and the importance of correctly applying the eigenvalue definition. There is no explicit consensus on the method to be used, as different approaches are being considered.

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One participant notes that they are required to use a specific method, which may influence the direction of the discussion. There is also mention of potential mistakes in the calculations of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, which are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Find the solution of the system
x' = 3x + 4y; y' = -2x-3y
satisfying x(0) = 2 and y(0) = -1
Thank you

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The Attempt at a Solution


My method involves linear algebra:
turn the pair of equations into a single first order vector differential equation of the form
v' = Av
where v is a column vector with entries x and y and A is a 2x2 matrix.
A= 3 4
-2 -3
=>det(A-Ir),where r is a constant and I is the identety matrix...=(3-r)(-3-r)+8=r^2-1=>
r1=-1 and r2=1 these are the eigenvectors.Was my approach ok?
Finding egenvectors:
(A-Ir)w_j=|3-1 4 | w1 = 0
|-2 -3+1 | w2 0
this result the system 2w_1+4w_2=0 and -2w_1-2w_2=0 where both w's =0
so the general solution is u=a_1 e^t *|0| +a_2e^-t|0|
|0| |0|
I know i did a mistake here ,was r1=i and r2=-i?
 
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Is it mandatory to use a certain method to solve the system ? Try reducing your system to a single ODE, either for x, or for y. The resulting equation (also with constant coefficents) will be second order and can be easily integrated.
 
I have to use this method,yes
 
So your differential equation is
[tex]\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\end{pmatrix}}{dt}= \begin{pmatrix}3 & 4 \\ -2 & -3}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

Yes, the eigenvalues are 1 and -1. However, you have found the eigenvectors wrong- the eigenvectors are vectors giveing [math]Av= \lambda v[/itex]. For [itex]\lambda= 1[/itex], that is
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}3 & 4 \\ -2 & -3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{pmatrix}2- 1 & 4 \\ -2 & -3- 1\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}2 & 4 \\ -2 & -4\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
which is the same as 2x+ 4y= 0, -2x- 4y= 0 which have any x, y such that x= -2y as solution.

Do see what you did wrong? You subtracted 1 from one diagonal number and -1 from the other. Instead subtract 1 from both diagonal numbers to get an eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 1 and subtract -1 from both diagonal numbers to get an eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue -1.

(The definition of "eigenvalue" is that there exist a non-zero vector, v such that [itex]Av= \lambda v[/itex]. If you get 0 as the only solution, you have done something wrong!)
 

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