Homomorphism - Sharper Cayley Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the proof of a homomorphism defined from a group \( G \) to the symmetric group \( S_X \) through a function \( h(x) = \rho_a \). Participants explore the requirements for proving \( h \) is a homomorphism, particularly whether it is necessary to show that \( h \) is onto \( S_X \). The conversation includes theoretical aspects of group homomorphisms and specific examples related to the problem presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether proving \( h \) is onto \( S_X \) is necessary when establishing that \( h \) is a homomorphism.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the definitions of \( X \) and \( \rho_a \), as well as the relationship between \( x \) and \( a \) in the function \( h(x) = \rho_a \).
  • A participant provides a specific example where \( G \) and \( H \) are defined, suggesting that there is no \( \rho_a \) that meets the conditions required, implying that \( h \) may not be onto.
  • It is noted that the definition of a group homomorphism does not require the function to be onto, emphasizing that the focus should be on proving \( \rho_a \rho_b = \rho_{ab} \) for all \( a, b \in G \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the onto property is necessary for proving \( h \) is a homomorphism. Some participants argue that it is not required, while others suggest that the specific context of the problem may imply otherwise.

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Participants highlight missing definitions and relationships that are crucial for understanding the problem fully. There is also an indication that the specific example provided may limit the applicability of general homomorphism properties.

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I am asked:

Prove that G \rightarrow S_X defined by h(x) = \rho _a is a homomorphism.

So I must prove that for any a,b \in G h(a)h(b) = h(ab).

But must I also prove separately that: h is ONTO S_X?
 
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Hi Kiwi,

There are pieces of information that you've left out in your prompt. What is $X$ and $\rho_a$? When you write $h(x) = \rho_a$, what is the relationship between $x$ and $a$?
 
Euge said:
Hi Kiwi,

There are pieces of information that you've left out in your prompt. What is $X$ and $\rho_a$? When you write $h(x) = \rho_a$, what is the relationship between $x$ and $a$?

Hi Euge

I really just wanted to know in general, if I am asked to prove a function is a homomorphism must I prove that it is onto?

In any case I have attached an image of the question from my text. I have done part 1.

I think the answer must be no because for this particular problem:
Let $G = \{e, a, a^2 ... a^{3k-1}\}$, and
Let $H = \{e, a^3, a^6 ... a^{3k-3}\}$, then

$X = \{H, aH, a^2H\}$, and there is no $\rho _a$ that fixes H and exchanges the other two cosets. Therefore there is a member of $S_3$ that cannot be reached by any $\rho_a$.

Question 4 also seems to give me a clue that h is not expected to be onto?
 

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If $(G,\cdot)$ and $(G',*)$ are groups, a function $f : (G,\cdot) \to (G',*)$ is a group homomorphism if $f(a\cdot b) = f(a) * f(b)$ for all $a,b\in G$. Note that the definition does not require $f$ to be onto. In the case of your problem, to prove $h$ is a homomorphism, you must show $\rho_a\rho_b = \rho_{ab}$ for all $a,b\in G$.
 

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