Hooke's Law: Changes for Large Displacements

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The discussion centers around the modifications to Hooke's Law when considering large displacements of elastic materials. Participants explore the implications of these changes in both theoretical and practical contexts, examining the transition from linear to nonlinear behavior in elastic materials.

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  • Luke questions how Hooke's Law changes for large displacements and seeks explanations for this phenomenon.
  • One participant explains that the Young Modulus is constant, but for significant displacements, the cross-sectional area of a material may change, leading to increased stress and a non-linear relationship between force and extension.
  • Another participant states that Hooke's Law is a linear relation that fails at large deformations, necessitating a nonlinear relation represented by a power series expansion.
  • A further contribution discusses the Taylor expansion of the force function around the equilibrium point, indicating that higher-order terms must be included for greater accuracy in describing the force at large displacements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Hooke's Law is linear for small displacements but becomes nonlinear for larger displacements. However, there are varying interpretations of the implications and mathematical representations of this transition, indicating some disagreement on the details.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the constancy of Young's Modulus and the behavior of materials under stress that may not hold in all scenarios. The discussion also touches on the mathematical representation of force without delving into the physical implications of these higher-order terms.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics and engineering, particularly those exploring material properties and elastic behavior under varying conditions.

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Morning,

I've come across this statement in Berkeley Physics Course, Vol.1 - Cp. 5 (pg.149):

"For sufficiently small displacements such a force may be produced by a stretched or compressed spring. For large elastic displacements we must add terms in higher powers of x to Eq. (,5.19): Fx = - Cx."

I tried to find on internet explanations about how this change in Hooke's law happens when large displacements are involved, but I couldn't find a convincing explanation. Could anyone here help me?

Cheers,
Luke.
 
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Lukeblackhill said:
I couldn't find a convincing explanation.
Here's an arm waving one. It is easier to appreciate if you are dealing with a straight wire, rather than a coiled spring but the principle can be extended (no pun intended).

The Young Modulus of a material is fundamental to the material and is given by Stress / Strain where stress is the force per unit area and strain is the proportional change in length. It is constant. When the displacement is significant, assuming that the volume of the wire doesn't change, the cross sectional area will reduce so the stress will increase. Hence the 'Force' that's used in Hooke's law does not result equal steps in Stress. Or, the other way round, although the stress may be proportional to the strain, the Force is not proportional to the extension.
The wire in your average helical (or leaf) spring doesn't change its thickness appreciably as it is extended over its normal operating range so Hooke works quite well enough.
 
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Hooke's law is a linear relation between force and deformation. What the Berkeley folks are saying is simply that, for large enough deformations, the linear relation fails and a nonlinear relation (represented by a power series in the deformation) is required. This is essentially what Sophie said above.
 
There is some function F=g(x) that represents the force at an arbitrary displacement from equilibrium. So you can do a Taylor expansion about the equilibrium point. That will give

##g(x)=g(0)+g’(0)x+g’’(0)x^2+g’’’(0)x^3+...##

At the equilibrium point g(0)=0, by definition, so Hooke’s law is the first order expansion

##g(x)=g’(0)x+O(x^2)##

If you need higher accuracy then you just add more terms. There is actually no physics in the statement, just a little math
 
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