Horizontal Force Required to move a box up a ramp

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block moving up an incline with a horizontal applied force. Participants are discussing the forces acting on the block, including gravitational force, normal force, and friction, as well as their respective directions and components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the applied force, gravitational force, and normal force. There is confusion regarding the correct components of these forces and how they relate to friction.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing clarifications about the directions of the forces and how to properly resolve them into components. There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the normal force and the force of friction, with no explicit consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with variables and coefficients of friction, and there is mention of the need to consider both static and kinetic friction, although the relevance of static friction is questioned by one participant.

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Homework Statement


A block with a mass of m is initially moving up the incline and is increasing speed with an acceleration of a. The applied force F is horizontal. The coefficients of friction between between the block and incline are μs=S and μk=K. The angle of the incline is θ.
What is the magnitude of F?

Homework Equations


I know I am using f=ma. I just am confused as to how all the forces are found, and ofr their directions, and how to find the force of friction.

The Attempt at a Solution


I left all of the terms in just variables so I would learn how to solve this, not just the answer. I have been doing this on some online homework, so I can check my answer, and I don't understand what I am doing wrong. Magnitude of the normal force is equal to F+mg, I think, and then I split that into horizontal and vertical components. And the force of friction should be SxN, which would be Sx(F+mg), I think? I have to eventually calculate what F equals, and what the force of friction equals. I also think that the coefficient for static friction is extraneous information, but I am not positive. Any help would super awesome.
 
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Fg=mg is NOT normal to the incline. Neither is F.
The latter, as said in the problem description, is horizontal. The former... well, think about the direction gravity should be pulling the block. If it were normal, it'd mean that we could walk on walls.
Now take these two forces, and find their normal and parallel to the incline components.
The parallel ones will be responsible for the body moving, the normal ones for the magnitude of the force of friction that opposes the movement(the total normal force times the friction coefficient).
If you have problems with splitting the forces into components correctly, remember that you're building a rectangle with the original force as a diagonal.
You can relate the component forces to mg and F via trigonometry.
 
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I know that F and mg are not not normal to the incline. F is horizontal, mg is vertical. But youre saying that the normal force isn't equal to F+mg? If not, itd be like Fxsinθ+mgcosθ, yes? The magnitude of the normal force, perpendicular to incline, youre saying isn't F+mg?
 
Bahrbarian said:
If not, itd be like Fxsinθ+mgcosθ, yes?
You've got it.
Do the same for parallel forces, add friction to the mix, and see if you can find the answer.
 

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