How are large compounds/molecules formed?

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The discussion centers on the concept of atomic stability and the nature of chemical reactions. It questions the idea that reactions should lead to completely stable atoms, suggesting that if stability were the primary goal, fewer reactions would occur. Participants clarify that "complete stability" is a misnomer; atoms can be stable to varying degrees, and large compounds can still exhibit high stability. The conversation emphasizes the importance of considering the entire reaction process, including multiple products, rather than focusing solely on individual outcomes. It notes that reactions can be driven by factors beyond product stability, such as entropy, which relates to the disorder of a system rather than just energy. This highlights the complexity of chemical interactions and the ongoing nature of reactions even among seemingly stable compounds.
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If the purpose of elements reacting was to stabilize the atoms, then after a standard reaction shouldn't the atoms be completely stable, instead of having to form compounds/molecules of 10+ atoms?
 
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LogicalAcid said:
If the purpose of elements reacting was to stabilize the atoms,
What do you mean 'the purpose' of a reaction?

LogicalAcid said:
then after a standard reaction shouldn't the atoms be completely stable
There is no such thing as 'completely' stable (for all intents and purposes), you can be arbitrarily stable or unstable.

LogicalAcid said:
instead of having to form compounds/molecules of 10+ atoms?
large compounds can still be highly stable, and more importantly, stable enough to exist.

Can you elaborate on what you're asking exactly.
 
Large molecules and compounds.

For example, let's take Carbon in its pure elemental form. I thought that when elements react with one another, they become more and more stable, so how is it that when they react, which makes a much more stable compound/molecule, they still react with other elements? I thought that each reaction makes the compound/molecule more and more stable, so how is it that very large molecules/compounds form if the pieces that make them up were supposed to be completely stable after 2-3 reactions keep on reacting a large number of times to form compounds/molecules with a large number of atoms? Is it that even when elements react, the bond is never completely stable? Please explain?
 


LogicalAcid said:
I thought that when elements react with one another, they become more and more stable

That's where you are wrong. In short - you can't look at a single product of the reaction, you have to look at everything that happens.

Imagine you have a reaction with more than one product, it may happen that one of these products is highly stable (like water, or carbon dioxide, or sodium chloride) and its stability is what is driving the reaction - but other product is much less stable.

It may also happen that the reaction is driven not by the stability of the products, but by the increasing entropy of the system.

Note that I used term "stability" rather lousily, just to answer the question in terms you have used.
 


Borek said:
That's where you are wrong. In short - you can't look at a single product of the reaction, you have to look at everything that happens.

Imagine you have a reaction with more than one product, it may happen that one of these products is highly stable (like water, or carbon dioxide, or sodium chloride) and its stability is what is driving the reaction - but other product is much less stable.

It may also happen that the reaction is driven not by the stability of the products, but by the increasing entropy of the system.

Note that I used term "stability" rather lousily, just to answer the question in terms you have used.

I thought entropy was energy not able to be used in a reaction? please explain?
 
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