How can I write a triple integral using different coordinate systems?

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The discussion revolves around writing a triple integral to find the volume of the region where two equations, representing spheres, intersect. The equations are x^2+y^2+z^2=1 and x^2+y^2+(z-1)^2=2. Participants are exploring how to express this volume using Cartesian, cylindrical, and spherical coordinates.

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  • Participants discuss the need for a single integral to represent the volume and explore how to convert existing integrals into different coordinate systems. Questions arise about the necessity of integration and the interpretation of the problem as finding volume rather than area.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to express the volume as a single integral in Cartesian coordinates. Others are considering how to formulate the integrals in cylindrical and spherical coordinates but have not yet completed those expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical reasoning behind the transformations and interpretations of the problem.

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Hello. This is my first of many posts at this forum. For fun recently I came across a triple integral that i would really like to know how to do.
basically i have two equations
x^2+y^2+z^2=1
x^2+y^2+(z-1)^2=2
if you plot these you will see that they intercept.
i need to find the area under the graph where they intercept.
I would like to write this as a SINGLE integral using cartesian, cylindrical and sphereical coordinates.
anyone know how to write it any or all of these three ways. thank you very much
khurram
 
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Is integral necessary? (or am I making a mistake?)
subtract these equations side by side, and you'll get
z=0.
That's where these spheres intercept.
So put z=0 into the first equation (or the second one), you'll have:
[tex]x^2 + y^2 = 1 (z = 0)[/tex]
and this is the graph of interception and its area is evidently [tex]\pi.[/tex]

I hope it helps :smile:

If you want to calculate the "volume" of the common volume region instead of area, it's quite different. (but I guess this is not what you want.)

The volume is calculated as

[tex]\int_0^1 \pi (\sqrt{(1-z^2)})^2 dz + \int _{-\sqrt{2}}^0 \pi (\sqrt{(2-z^2)})^2 dz = \pi \frac {2+4 \sqrt{2}}{3}[/tex]

It's not single integral or cylindrical or spherical, though...

I think simple is best. :smile:
 
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Triple Integral

Hello. You are absolutely right sir. I meant to ask for the volume not the area.

How do i write that sum of those two integrals as one integral.
Also How would I go about converting that into cylidrican and spherical coordinates. I mean I know the volume elements for spherical and cylindrical
spherical
dV==r^2 sinphi dphi dtheta dr.
cylindrical
dV==r dr dtheta dz
thank you for all your help

blumfeld0
 
In Cartesian coordinates, the latter integral

[tex]\int _{-\sqrt{2}}^0 \pi (\sqrt{(2-z^2)})^2 dz = \int _ 0 ^ {\sqrt{2}} \pi (2-z^2)dz[/tex]

can be put using

[tex]\sqrt{2} z' = z[/tex]

into

[tex]\int _0^1 \pi (2- (\sqrt{2} z')^2) \frac {dz}{dz'} dz' <br /> = \int _0 ^ 1 \pi 2 \sqrt{2}(1-z^2) dz[/tex]

So the total volume can be written as a single integral

[tex]\int _0^1 \pi ((1-z^2) + 2 \sqrt{2} (1-z^2)) dz <br /> = \int _0^1 \pi (1+ 2 \sqrt{2}) (1-z^2) dz[/tex]

Does it make sense? It looks like just a trick of calculation to me.

As for polar and cylindrical coordinates, I wrote spheres as:

polar:
[tex]r^2-2r\cos(\theta)=1[/tex] and
[tex]r^2=1[/tex]

cylindrical:
[tex]r^2+z^2-2z=1[/tex] and
[tex]r^2+z^2 = 1[/tex].

But I haven't make integral fomulae yet.
 
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Yes I do understand. Thanks for your help
blumfeld0
 

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