How can substitution make integration by parts easier?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x^3cos(x^2) using integration by parts and substitution techniques. Participants are exploring how substitution might simplify the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the steps involved in integration by parts and question the correctness of certain multipliers and the derivation of integrals. There is a suggestion to use substitution to simplify the integration process before applying integration by parts.

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Some participants are providing guidance on the integration process, noting that substitution could lead to a simpler approach. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the steps taken in the integration process, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants are examining the implications of using integration by parts versus substitution, with some questioning the assumptions made in the original setup of the problem. There are indications of potential confusion regarding the application of integration techniques.

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[tex] <br /> \int x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{2}\int xsin(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{4}cos(x^2)-\frac{3}{4}\int \frac{cos(x^2)}{x}[/tex]
the last integral
 
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Hi nameVoid! :smile:

(i think that the minus is wrong, and where did the 3/2 come from? but anyway …)

Where did the last integral come from? What did you think you were differentiating? :confused:
 
nameVoid said:

[tex] <br /> \int x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{2}\int xsin(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{4}cos(x^2)-\frac{3}{4}\int \frac{cos(x^2)}{x}[/tex]
the last integral
In your integration by parts, you don't show u and dv, etc., but you seem to be mostly on the right track.

For the first integral, u = x2 and dv = x cos(x2) dx. So du = 2xdx and v = -(1/2)sin(x2).
So
[tex]\int x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]
[tex]=~-(1/2)x^2sin(x^2) + \int x sin(x^2)dx[/tex]
So far, the only difference between your work and mine is the multiplier in front of the last integral. This one can be done with an ordinary substitution (u = x2), instead of the integration by parts that it looks like you tried.
 
right..thank you.
 
nameVoid said:

[tex] <br /> \int x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{2}\int xsin(x^2)dx[/tex]


[tex] -\frac{1}{2}x^2sin(x^2)+\frac{3}{4}cos(x^2)-\frac{3}{4}\int \frac{cos(x^2)}{x}[/tex]
the last integral

Just a suggestion, make life a little easier on yourself by doing a substitution before int by parts:

[tex]\int x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]

[tex]let p = x^2[/tex]

[tex]dp = 2xdx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}*\int 2x^3cos(x^2)dx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}*\int pcos(p)dp[/tex]

From there, the integration by parts is soo much simpler.

Here's the variable breakdown for integration by parts:
u = p dv = cos(p) dp
du = dp v = sin(p)



NastyAccident
 

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