How Can You Solve the Integral of x sqrt(x/(x-1)) Without a Trig Substitution?

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The discussion centers around the integral of x * sqrt(x/(x-1)), with participants exploring various approaches to solve it without using trigonometric substitution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the integral and question the necessity of trigonometric substitutions. Others suggest alternative substitutions, such as u = x/(x-1), to simplify the expression. There are also mentions of using ordinary substitutions and partial fraction decomposition as potential methods.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants are questioning the complexity of the integral and whether the original problem is correct, while others are suggesting different strategies to tackle the integral.

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There is a noted concern about the complexity of the integral, with some participants indicating that it may lead to challenging forms requiring advanced techniques. The original poster is seeking guidance on how to proceed without relying on trigonometric methods.

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Homework Statement


integral of x *sqrt( x/(x-1))


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I honestly don't know how to approach this i don't see any type of trig substituions whatsover, I really need some kind of lead and an explnation y that method works
 
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Sidthewall said:

Homework Statement


integral of x *sqrt( x/(x-1))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly don't know how to approach this i don't see any type of trig substituions whatsover, I really need some kind of lead and an explnation y that method works

Hmmm... I guess I'd start by making the substitution u=\frac{x}{x-1}=1+\frac{1}{x-1} in order to get rid of the junk inside the square root. You'll probably find that doing this will allow you to split the integral into two easier integrals since x=1+\frac{1}{u-1}
 
Sidthewall said:

Homework Statement


integral of x *sqrt( x/(x-1))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly don't know how to approach this i don't see any type of trig substituions whatsover, I really need some kind of lead and an explnation y that method works

I haven't carried this all the way through, but I think it will work
\int x \sqrt{\frac{x}{x - 1}}dx = \int \frac{x^{3/2}}{\sqrt{x - 1}}dx

I believe that an ordinary substitution will work.
Let u = sqrt(x - 1).
 
You can integrate secn θ using integration by parts, letting u=secn-2 θ and dv=sec2 θ dθ. For sec5 θ, you'll have to do it twice. It's a bit tedious but straightforward.
 
You don't actually need a trig sub. You can also use Partial Fraction Decomposition if you find that easier.
 

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