How Do Braking Forces Affect Train Derailment Distances and Coupling Forces?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the distance a train travels after braking and the forces in its couplings during a derailment scenario. The initial calculations for the distance traveled post-braking yielded a result of approximately 98.1 meters, while the coupling forces were determined to be 24,000 N and 56,000 N for FAB and FBC, respectively. Participants debated the correct application of kinetic energy and work done by friction, with clarifications needed on the forces acting on individual cars. Newton's second law was emphasized for analyzing each car's acceleration and forces. The conversation concluded with participants expressing gratitude for the assistance provided in understanding the calculations.
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The composition of meters shown in Figure traffic to 72,4 km/h when the brakes of the wheels A and B were activated, causing the derailment. Determine (a) the distance traveled by the rest and (b) the force in each coupling. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the wheels and rails is 0,30.

Answer:
(a) 98,1 m
(b) FAB = 2,4x10^4 N; FBC = 5,6x10^4 N


My solution:
(a) Kinetic energy:
T = 1/2mv^2 = 1,83x10^7 J
Work:
U = (PT - FT).x
PT (Total weight) = 89x10^4
FT (Total force of friction) = 2,67x10^5
U = 6,23x10^5x

x = T / U = 29,44m Is not the correct answer
 

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Apprentice123 said:
My solution:
(a) Kinetic energy:
T = 1/2mv^2 = 1,83x10^7 J
OK.
Work:
U = (PT - FT).x
I don't understand this equation. You just need the work done by friction.
PT (Total weight) = 89x10^4
FT (Total force of friction) = 2,67x10^5
Only two of the three cars produce friction.
 


Doc Al said:
OK.

I don't understand this equation. You just need the work done by friction.

Only two of the three cars produce friction.

Yes. Thanks

U = 1,87x10^5
x = T/U = 97,86m

How do I calculate (b)?
 


Apprentice123 said:
How do I calculate (b)?
Consider each car separately. Apply Newton's 2nd law. (What's the acceleration of each car?)
 


Doc Al said:
Consider each car separately. Apply Newton's 2nd law. (What's the acceleration of each car?)

Acceleration is the same for all cars?

V^2 = (Vo)^2 +2aX
a = V^2/2X = 2,066 m/s^2
 


I not find the correct answer

FAB = FatA + FatB + (mA+mB)a

FatA = PA . u
FatB = PB . u

FAB = 3,18x10^5 N
 


Apprentice123 said:
Acceleration is the same for all cars?

V^2 = (Vo)^2 +2aX
a = V^2/2X = 2,066 m/s^2
Looks OK.

Apprentice123 said:
I not find the correct answer

FAB = FatA + FatB + (mA+mB)a
I don't understand what you are doing. Analyze each car separately.

For example, consider car A. What horizontal forces act on it? (One force is the coupling force FB/A from car B.) Apply Newton's 2nd law to solve for that force.
 


Doc Al said:
Looks OK.


I don't understand what you are doing. Analyze each car separately.

For example, consider car A. What horizontal forces act on it? (One force is the coupling force FB/A from car B.) Apply Newton's 2nd law to solve for that force.

Yes. But I do not find the answer

Fb/a = (2,67x10^5)/9,81 * 2,066 + 2,67x10^5 * 0,3
Fb/a = 136330,581 N
 


Apprentice123 said:
Yes. But I do not find the answer

Fb/a = (2,67x10^5)/9,81 * 2,066 + 2,67x10^5 * 0,3
Fb/a = 136330,581 N
ΣF = Ff + Fb/a = m*a
 
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Doc Al said:
ΣF = Ff + Fb/a = m*a

Ok. Thank you very much
 
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