How Do Coils Interact to Induce EMF in Electromagnetic Fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of coils in electromagnetic fields, specifically focusing on the induction of electromotive force (EMF) in a second coil due to the magnetic field produced by a first coil. Participants explore the conditions under which current is induced and the effects of magnetic fields on electron motion and alignment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that no EMF is produced in the second coil if there is no change in current in the first coil, questioning how the magnetic field affects the second coil.
  • Another participant proposes that the magnetic field can align or precess the spins of electrons in the second coil, leading to weak magnetic effects, particularly if the second coil is ferromagnetic.
  • A different participant emphasizes that current is induced in a wire only when there is a change in current, expressing confusion about why current cannot be induced when there is no change.
  • Another participant clarifies that while a stationary magnetic field can influence the rotation of electrons, it does not cause the electrons to move as a whole, suggesting that the forces involved cancel each other out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for inducing current in the second coil, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the interaction of coils and magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the nature of magnetic fields and their effects on electron motion, as well as the specific conditions under which current induction occurs.

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I guess it does not produce any field in 2nd coil because there's no change in current in coil right?So there won't be any emf ..
but coil 2 has magnetic field passing through it which results in current in coil(by forcing movement of electrons of coil 2 SINCE ELECTRONS ARE ALREADY IN MOTION INSIDE ATOMS)
So what finally happens?
 
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hi aditya23456! :smile:

do you mean a straight wire?

yes, the magnetic field will have the same effect as a stationary magnet … it will align or precess the spins of the electrons, resulting in extremely weak para- or dia-magnetism, and no discernible effect, except if coil 2 is ferromagnetic :wink:

(i guess that's why electric wire isn't made of iron)
 


but as per prinicple, current is induced in wire only if current changes right..but why can't current be induced when there's no change in current since just current flowing is now with our above principle :/
Hi btw :)
 
a stationary magnetic field can make a loop of current (like a spinning electron) rotate, but it can't make it move as a whole …

the forces cancel out

the magnetic field from your wire won't make the electrons move, it will only affect their spins
 

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