How Do Complex Roots Transform into Trigonometric Functions in ODEs?

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The discussion centers on the transformation of complex roots in second-order ordinary differential equations (ODEs) into trigonometric functions. The specific ODE presented is x'' + 4x' + 16x = some forcing function, which yields complex roots. Participants clarify that the general solution can be expressed in terms of exponential functions involving imaginary components, leading to a trigonometric representation using cosine and sine functions. The transition from the exponential form to the trigonometric form involves recognizing the relationship between complex exponentials and circular motion in the complex plane.

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Hi All

I am rusty with my my math and got stumped with a straight forward question regarding vibrations and complex roots.

I have a 2nd order ODE

x'' +4 x' + 16 x = some forcing funciton

This turns out complex roots. I go through the run around of solving this and I get a complete solution complementary plust specific. My question is in going from the general form of an 2nd order ODE C1exp At+ C2exp-Bt = x wheere A and B are imaginary to the trig representation. I still have an i. On some websites you will see the trig representation without an i. Is that folded into C2?

I want to keep the i but not sure why. I vaguely remember it having to do with how you wish to express the motion or something like that if it was a vibration problem. I also remembered if you looked at it as vectors on the complex plane the presense of the i was the same as rotating 90 degrees CCW.

Any math gurus out there can get the dust betweeen my ears out it would be much apprecaited.
 
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hi koab1mjr! :smile:

if your roots are a ± ib,

then your solutions are Ae(a+ib)t + Be(a-ib)t,

which is the same as eat(Aeibt + Be-ibt),

or, if you prefer, eat(Ccosbt + D sinbt),

where A B C and D can of course be complex :wink:
 

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