How Do Conic Sections Relate to Orbital Mechanics?

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The discussion explores the relationship between conic sections and orbital mechanics, particularly focusing on how different conic shapes correspond to varying energy levels in orbits under gravitational forces. It examines the mathematical connections between the angles of conic sections and the eccentricity of orbits.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the progression of conic sections (circle, ellipse, parabola, hyperbola) in relation to the angle of intersection with a double-napped cone and its implications for orbital mechanics.
  • The same participant proposes a mathematical relationship between the angle of the conic section and the energy of the orbit, using the eccentricity defined in two different contexts: conic sections and gravitational orbits.
  • Another participant suggests moving the discussion to a math forum, indicating a perceived overlap with mathematical concepts.
  • A later reply questions whether a similar relationship exists for any central force, not just inverse-square forces, introducing a broader scope for consideration.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of the discussed relationships to other types of central forces, and the discussion remains open to further exploration of these ideas.

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The discussion relies on specific definitions and assumptions regarding conic sections and gravitational forces, which may not be universally accepted or applicable to all scenarios involving central forces.

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If you think about a double-napped cone, and the various non-degenerate sections you can get with it:

1. Circle
2. Ellipse
3. Parabola
4. Hyperbola,

you can see that there is a progression here: increasing angle $\alpha$ that the intersecting plane makes with the horizontal. To be clear about this, $\alpha$ is not the angle that the normal to the intersecting plane makes with the horizontal, but the angle that the plane itself makes with the horizontal.

It's also true that for an inverse-square-law force, such as gravity (in the classical limit), this same progression describes increasing amounts of energy in the resulting orbit. I've long thought there must be some mathematical relationship between the two. And there is, through the eccentricity. The eccentricity of a conic section is defined as
$$e= \frac{ \sin( \alpha)}{ \sin( \beta)},$$
where $\alpha$ is the angle I've already defined, and $\beta$ is the angle that the cone makes with the horizontal.

According to Marion and Thornton's Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, 4th Ed., p. 304, Eq. (8.40), you also have that the eccentricity of an orbit under the gravitational force is equal to
$$e= \sqrt{1+ \frac{2E \ell^{2}}{ \mu k}},$$
where $E$ is the total energy, $\ell$ is the angular momentum, $\mu$ is the reduced mass
$$\mu= \frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}},$$
and $k=Gm_{1}m_{2}$ (the numerator of the gravitational force law, although it could also be $q_{1}q_{2}/(4 \pi \epsilon_{0})$, I suppose, for a Coulomb force.)

Hence, we have that
$$ \frac{ \sin^{2}( \alpha)}{ \sin^{2}( \beta)}=1+ \frac{2E \ell^{2}}{ \mu k}.$$
So the relationship between the angle of the conic section and the energy of the orbit is that the square of the sine of the conic section angle is affinely related to the total energy.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Thanks @Ackbach, what math forum can we move this to?
I would say Classical Physics.
 
I wonder if there is a similar relationship, more general, for any central force instead of specifically an inverse-square central force.
 

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