How do covalent bonds of the same molecule form?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of covalent bonds within the same molecule, particularly focusing on how atoms with similar electronegativities, such as carbon, share electrons to achieve stability. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to chemistry and quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions how covalent bonds can form between atoms of the same element, such as carbon, given their equal electronegativity and the need for both to share four electrons for stability.
  • Another participant explains that covalent bonds form through the sharing of electrons, with the configuration of shared electrons resulting in a higher binding energy, thus making it favorable for atoms to bond.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of London forces (van der Waals forces) in relation to noble gases, suggesting additional interactions may be relevant.
  • One participant elaborates that the attraction of electrons to both nuclei occurs due to the incomplete electron shells of the carbon atoms, and mentions the promotion of electrons from 2s to 2p orbitals as enhancing this effect.
  • Another participant reiterates the explanation of covalent bond formation, emphasizing the quantum nature of the process and the timing of when such details are typically learned in education.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of covalent bond formation, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the process or the role of different forces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these interactions.

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Some claims depend on assumptions about electron configurations and the nature of atomic interactions, which are not fully explored. The discussion includes references to quantum mechanics and may involve complex concepts not yet fully understood by all participants.

Kuzon
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There is no difference in electronegativity, so how do bonds form?

Take for example C-C, they both want 4 electrons for a full valence shell to become more stable - they meet each other, but how come they share 4 electrons? There is no difference in electronegativity for them to attract each other.

Also - can atoms only bond to themselves when they have half a valence shell full of electrons? E.g. carbon can bond to itself because it has 4 valence electrons but also needs 4 so another carbon fills its valence shell perfectly.Apologies if any parts of my question confuse you, I just started chemistry so I don't have a solid grasp on these concepts.
 
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Covalent bonds form when atoms share electrons ... physically the configuration with the shared electrons has a higher binding energy than the configuration without, so atoms want to be in them. It's quantum. You typically don't get to know the process in detail until your third year.
 
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If you consider the noble elements, there is also the London forces (also called van der Waals' forces) to consider.
 
The bonding results from electrons being attracted to both nuclei at the same time.
Since each C atom has an incomplete shell the electrons of the other atom can approach its nucleus.
Promotion of 2s -> 2p enhances the effect.
For full shell atoms Pauli repulsion prevents this. In such a case there is only the much weaker Van der Waals interaction.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Covalent bonds form when atoms share electrons ... physically the configuration with the shared electrons has a higher binding energy than the configuration without, so atoms want to be in them. It's quantum. You typically don't get to know the process in detail until your third year.
That's what I like to hear. Thanks.
 
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No worries.
 
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