Calculating Average Emission Wavelength from Spectral Intensity Chart

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the average emission wavelength from a spectral intensity chart, specifically in the context of LED wavelength emission. Participants explore the mathematical processes involved in determining this average, including concepts of integration, average, and median values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that integration may be necessary to find the average emission wavelength from the spectral intensity chart.
  • One participant proposes that the average wavelength can be found where the area under the curve is equal on both sides of a chosen wavelength, indicating a potential connection to the median.
  • Another participant clarifies that the average is defined mathematically as the integral of the product of wavelength and intensity divided by the integral of intensity over the specified interval.
  • There is a contention regarding the distinction between average and median, with some arguing that the median would assume constant intensity across wavelengths.
  • A participant provides an example of a light bulb's emission spectrum to illustrate how the median can differ from the average due to varying intensity across wavelengths.
  • Confusion arises when participants misinterpret each other's statements about the average and median, leading to clarifications and corrections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and calculations of average versus median wavelengths, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to determine the average emission wavelength from the chart.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the intensity distribution and the mathematical definitions of average and median are not fully resolved, leading to ongoing debate about their implications for the problem at hand.

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I haven't had calculus in over 2 years and so I am not exactly sure how to go about this. I am inclined to believe some form of integration would be needed.

I took the chart below from a paper on LED wavelength emission. The authors say that the vertical line represents the average emission wavelength. If say hypothetically I had a function to represent this graph, how would I go about finding this "average emission wavelength"? What is the process?
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I believe that you want to find the wavelength such that the area of the function with wavelengths shorter than the average is equal to the area of the function with wavelengths greater.
So if our function is on the interval [a,b], then we want \mu to be chosen such that

\int_a^{\mu}f(x)dx=\int_{\mu}^b f(x)dx

However, the area on the right side seems larger than the left in the graph you posted, so I'm not certain. The answer to your problem could even be as simple as taking the average value of the shortest wavelength and longest wavelengths registered.
 
Mentallic said:
I believe that you want to find the wavelength such that the area of the function with wavelengths shorter than the average is equal to the area of the function with wavelengths greater.
That would be the median.

The average is defined as
$$\mu = \frac{\int_a^b x f(x)dx }{ \int_a^b f(x)dx }$$
and the indicated value looks reasonable.
 
mfb said:
That would be the median.
Actually no, it wouldn't be that either.

mfb said:
The average is defined as
$$\mu = \frac{\int_a^b x f(x)dx }{ \int_a^b f(x)dx }$$
and the indicated value looks reasonable.
Oh yes that makes sense!
 
Mentallic said:
Actually no, it wouldn't be that either.
Why not?
 
If it were the median, then that would be assuming that the intensity of each wavelength of light would be constant, would it not?
 
No.
Why do you think so?
 
Consider a light bulb that emits photons only in the visible light spectrum and cuts off abruptly before delving into the infrared and ultra-violet territory. But most of the photons being produced are of the shorter blue light wavelengths, producing what we consider to be a blue light bulb. The median photon would then be found closer to the blue end of the spectrum than the average of the max and min photons wavelengths.

Now just extend this concept to a continuous stream of wavelengths as in the OP, but with varying intensity.
 
Yes, where is the problem? The median is always defined at the point where 50% of the distribution is larger and 50% is smaller. This can differ from the average. We see this in post 1: the indicated line is the average, not the median.
 
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Ugh... I made the mistake of thinking that you replied to my second guess that it could be the average of the shortest and longest wavelength. Sorry about wasting your time mfb.
 

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