How do I find the second solution using the Frobenius method?

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The discussion revolves around finding two linearly independent solutions to the differential equation \(x^{2}y''-2x^{2}y'+(4x-2)y=0\) using the Frobenius method. The original poster has identified one solution as \(x^{2}\) and is seeking assistance in deriving the second solution.

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  • Participants discuss the roots of the indicial polynomial and the implications for the recurrence relation. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the undefined nature of the recurrence relation for \(k=3\) and beyond. Others suggest a different form of the equation and clarify the nature of the indicial roots.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct form of the differential equation and the implications for finding the second solution. Some participants provide insights into the structure of the second solution and the conditions under which the recurrence relation can be defined. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and clarifications without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note discrepancies in the original equation and the assumptions made regarding the solutions. The discussion highlights the challenge of handling the coefficients in the recurrence relation and the special case of the Fuchs-class ODE.

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Homework Statement


I want to find two linearly independent solutions of
$$
x^{2}y''-2x^{2}y'+(4x-2)y=0.
$$

The Attempt at a Solution


The roots to the indicial polynomial are ##r_{1}=2## and ##r_{2}=-1##.
I found one solution which was ##x^{2}## and I am having trouble finding the second solution.
After all of the arithmetic I came up with the equation
$$
[r(r-1)-2]c_{0}+\sum\limits_{k=1}^{\infty}\left[(k+r)(k+r-1)-2\right]c_{k}x^{k}+4c_{k-1}x^{k}-2c_{k-1}(k+r-1)x^{k}.
$$
I let ##r=-1## so that I get
$$
\left[(k-1)(k-2)-2\right]c_{k}+4c_{k-1}-2c_{k-1}(k-2)=0
$$
and so
$$
c_{k}=\frac{2(k-4)c_{k-1}}{k(k-3)}.
$$
The recurrence relation becomes undefined for k=3 and onwards. How do I deal with this? The solution skips ##c_{3}## and seemingly magically obtains a formula for ##c_{4}## and onwards.
 
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First of all I guess the equation should be
x^{2}y''-2x^{2}y'-(4x+2)y=0,
because otherwitse y(x)=x^2 isn't a solution, and your indical roots are not 2 and -1.

Assuming the above ODE, you get the indical equation to be yours,
r(r-1)-2=0 \; \Rightarrow r_1=2, \quad r_2=-1,
and the recursion equation reads (after some algebra)
C_k k(k+2r-1)-2 C_{k-1}(k+r-3)=0.

Now here you have the special case of a Fuchs-class ODE, where the difference of the indical roots is natural and not 0. In this case you always have this "problem" with the coefficient of c_{r_1-r_2} becoming 0 for the solution for the smaller indical root, r<2. For the solution y_1 referring to the larger indical root, there is no problem with the recursion. Given this solution, the correct ansatz for the 2nd linearly independent solution is
y_2(x)=\gamma y_1(x) \ln x+x^{r_2} \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} C_k x^k.
Of course you assume C_0 \neq 0. Then for k<r_1-r_2 the recursion can be used to get the coefficients for these k. For k=r_1-r_2 you find that you can set C_{r_1-r_2}=0 and then get \gamma uniquely, and for k>r_1-r_2 you get another recursion relation which is well-defined for the C_k with k>r_1-r_2.
 
vanhees71 said:
First of all I guess the equation should be
x^{2}y''-2x^{2}y'-(4x+2)y=0,
because otherwitse y(x)=x^2 isn't a solution, and your indical roots are not 2 and -1.

Assuming the above ODE, you get the indical equation to be yours,
r(r-1)-2=0 \; \Rightarrow r_1=2, \quad r_2=-1,
and the recursion equation reads (after some algebra)
C_k k(k+2r-1)-2 C_{k-1}(k+r-3)=0.

Now here you have the special case of a Fuchs-class ODE, where the difference of the indical roots is natural and not 0. In this case you always have this "problem" with the coefficient of c_{r_1-r_2} becoming 0 for the solution for the smaller indical root, r<2. For the solution y_1 referring to the larger indical root, there is no problem with the recursion. Given this solution, the correct ansatz for the 2nd linearly independent solution is
y_2(x)=\gamma y_1(x) \ln x+x^{r_2} \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} C_k x^k.
Of course you assume C_0 \neq 0. Then for k<r_1-r_2 the recursion can be used to get the coefficients for these k. For k=r_1-r_2 you find that you can set C_{r_1-r_2}=0 and then get \gamma uniquely, and for k>r_1-r_2 you get another recursion relation which is well-defined for the C_k with k>r_1-r_2.

The equation is ##x^{2}y''-2x^{2}y'+(4x-2)y=0##. Unless I'm completely crazy, ##y(x)=x^{2}## is a solution.
 
Argh. When copying your equation to a piece of paper, I wrote +2x^2y' for the middle term. Of course, you are right, for
x^2 y''-2x^2 y'+(4x-2)y=0
one solution is y_1=x^2.

The rest of my posting is, however correct. For r=-1 you make the ansatz
y(x)=\gamma x^2 \ln x+z(x), \quad z(x)=\frac{1}{x} \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} d_k x^k.
This plugged into the ODE you get after some algebra the equation
\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} [d_k k(k-3)+d_{k-1} (8-2k)] x^k=(-3x^3+2x^4)\gamma.
Setting d_0=1 you get recursively all the d_k by comparing coefficients. d_3 is of course arbitrary. You can set it to 0.
 
Ah! Thanks! I see what I was doing wrong now. I was plugging in ##y(x)=z(x)## to try to get the second solution instead of the correct ##y(x)=cx^{2}\ln x+z(x)##. Thanks for your help!
 

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