How Do Skaters' Velocities Change After Grabbing a Pole?

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The discussion centers on the physics problem involving two skaters who grab a pole and rotate around its center. The radius of their circular path is established as 1.7 m. Participants are attempting to calculate the angular speed and kinetic energy of the system, but there is confusion regarding the correct application of formulas for angular momentum and speed. Despite using the formula w = v/r, the answers provided are incorrect, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's parameters or calculations. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying physical principles to solve for angular speed and kinetic energy in a rotating system.
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Homework Statement


In the figure below, two skaters, each of mass 60 kg, approach each other along parallel paths separated by 3.4 m. They have opposite velocities of 2.1 m/s each. One skater carries one end of a long pole with negligible mass, and the second skater grabs the other end of it as she passes. The skaters then rotate around the center of the pole. Assume that the friction between skates and ice is negligible.
(a) What is the radius of the circle they now skate in? Answer=1.7 m
(b) What is the angular speed of the skaters?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the two-skater system?
(d) Next, the skaters pull along the pole until they are separated by 0.8 m. What is their angular speed then?
(e) Calculate the kinetic energy of the system now.
Hint:The angular momentum of the two-skater system cannot change because there is no net external torque to change it. The angular momentum of a particle is the product of the particle's momentum (mv) and the perpendicular distance from its path to the center about which we calculate angular momentum (here the center of the pole). How is rotational kinetic energy related to rotational inertia and angular speed?

Homework Equations


L(initial)=L(final)
L=mvr=Iw
I=Sum(mr^2)
w=v/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck at part b. I have tried w=v/r (w being angular speed) but the answer is incorrect. I have tried using mvr=Iw and the answer is not correct. The answer is not 2.1, 1.2, 1.1, or 1.05. I don't know how else to find w, and I don't understand why my answer is incorrect.
 
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Homework Statement


In the figure below, two skaters, each of mass 60 kg, approach each other along parallel paths separated by 3.4 m. They have opposite velocities of 2.1 m/s each. One skater carries one end of a long pole with negligible mass, and the second skater grabs the other end of it as she passes. The skaters then rotate around the center of the pole. Assume that the friction between skates and ice is negligible.
(a) What is the radius of the circle they now skate in? Answer=1.7 m
(b) What is the angular speed of the skaters?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the two-skater system?
(d) Next, the skaters pull along the pole until they are separated by 0.8 m. What is their angular speed then?
(e) Calculate the kinetic energy of the system now.
Hint:The angular momentum of the two-skater system cannot change because there is no net external torque to change it. The angular momentum of a particle is the product of the particle's momentum (mv) and the perpendicular distance from its path to the center about which we calculate angular momentum (here the center of the pole). How is rotational kinetic energy related to rotational inertia and angular speed?

Homework Equations


L(initial)=L(final)
L=mvr=Iw
I=Sum(mr^2)
w=v/r


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck at part b. I have tried w=v/r (w being angular speed) but the answer is incorrect. I have tried using mvr=Iw and the answer is not correct. The answer is not 2.1, 1.2, 1.1, or 1.05. I don't know how else to find w, and I don't understand why my answer is incorrect.

Is the problem perhaps related to the units or significant figures you're specifying in your answer? ω = v/r is a good approach.
 
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