How do we account for all the elements in the Universe?

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The discussion centers on the creation of elements in the universe, particularly focusing on the processes involved in their formation and the timeline of these events. Participants explore the roles of supernovae, the lifetimes of massive stars, and the implications for the solar system's composition and origins.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how all elements were created within the timeline of the universe, noting the age of the solar system and the universe.
  • It is suggested that all higher numbered elements were produced in supernovae, with a requirement for stars to have a mass of 4 to 5 times that of the sun to become supernovae.
  • Another participant mentions that supernovae were common in the early universe, with massive stars having short lifetimes before detonating, contributing to the abundance of heavy elements.
  • Concerns are raised about how many supernovae would be needed to create sufficient elements for the solar system and the galaxy, with speculation about whether a single supernova could suffice.
  • There is a query regarding the possibility of determining the origin of the solar system and the location of the supernova that contributed to its formation.
  • One participant proposes that most heavy elements on Earth were generated by second and third generation stars, while another expresses uncertainty about the roles of different stellar populations in producing heavy elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the processes of element formation and the contributions of different generations of stars. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the specifics of supernova contributions or the origins of the solar system.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about stellar lifetimes, the nature of nucleosynthesis, and the classification of stars, indicating a need for clarity on these definitions and processes.

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Hi all,

New to the forum - first post.

I've wondered for a while how all the elements were able to be created given the timeline of the universe.

If the solar system is ~5billion years old and the universe is 14 billion years old that means that all of the elements of the solar system would have been created in ~9 billion years.

I've read that all of the higher numbered elements (above iron) were created in supernovae and that a star must have a mass 4 or 5 times times the sun in order to become a supernova.

Further, a star 4 to 5 times the mass of the sun probably has a lifetime of somewhere between 100 million years to 1 billion years.

Also the milky way, is ~13 billion years old.

First, how many supernovae would have been needed to create all the elements (in sufficient quantity) to create our solar system (including the sun) (assuming an "average" sized supernova)? Would just one do it? Meaning could one supernova of say 10 solar masses created enough elements to form our solar system and when it exploded in every direction and enough of that material coalesced into our solar system?

Second, how many supernovae would be needed to create all the elements in our galaxy? I'm assuming our galaxy started with enough energy and light elements to create stars and start the process of creating heavier elements.

Lastly, is there any way to determine where our solar system came from? Obviously at least one supernova created all the higher elements found on the Earth so do we know 'where' that supernova was about 6 billion years ago?

Thanks in advance!
 
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CramerTV said:
Hi all,

New to the forum - first post.

I've wondered for a while how all the elements were able to be created given the timeline of the universe.

If the solar system is ~5billion years old and the universe is 14 billion years old that means that all of the elements of the solar system would have been created in ~9 billion years.

I've read that all of the higher numbered elements (above iron) were created in supernovae and that a star must have a mass 4 or 5 times times the sun in order to become a supernova.

Further, a star 4 to 5 times the mass of the sun probably has a lifetime of somewhere between 100 million years to 1 billion years.

Also the milky way, is ~13 billion years old.

First, how many supernovae would have been needed to create all the elements (in sufficient quantity) to create our solar system (including the sun) (assuming an "average" sized supernova)? Would just one do it? Meaning could one supernova of say 10 solar masses created enough elements to form our solar system and when it exploded in every direction and enough of that material coalesced into our solar system?

Second, how many supernovae would be needed to create all the elements in our galaxy? I'm assuming our galaxy started with enough energy and light elements to create stars and start the process of creating heavier elements.

Lastly, is there any way to determine where our solar system came from? Obviously at least one supernova created all the higher elements found on the Earth so do we know 'where' that supernova was about 6 billion years ago?

Thanks in advance!

Hi Cramer,

The light elements such as hydrogen, helium, lithium, etc. were produced in the nucleosynthesis following the big bang. All of the heavy elements were, as you said, produced in supernovae.

For the formation and evolution of the solar system, this should be good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_and_evolution_of_the_Solar_System
 
Supernova appear to have been very common in the early universe. Many of these early stars were incredibly massive and probably only lived a handful of million years before detonating, so heavy element abundance is unsurprising. Most of the heavy elements found on Earth were probably generated by second and third generation stars.
 
Chronos said:
Most of the heavy elements found on Earth were probably generated by second and third generation stars.

I thought only pop II would generate the really heavy elements. Pop III would generate only the lighter ones, up to Fe or so. Guess I should get some facts on that.
 

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