How do we visualize EM radiation?

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The discussion revolves around the visualization of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, particularly focusing on analogies and representations of electromagnetic fields. Participants explore concepts related to wave properties, geometries of EM radiation, and the implications of different sources of EM waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the analogy of EM radiation as spherical ripples, suggesting that this oversimplifies the nature of EM waves, which are typically described as transverse waves with perpendicular electric and magnetic fields.
  • One participant emphasizes that EM radiation propagating from an antenna does not produce spherical waves but rather has a geometry influenced by the source, leading to circular wave fronts with energy directed horizontally.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of dipole radiation, noting that while it has a spherical aspect, the radiation pattern is not uniform in all directions and depends on the observer's position relative to the dipole axis.
  • Further discussion highlights the distinction between near field and far field patterns of dipole radiation, pointing out that the amplitude of the fields varies significantly based on location relative to the dipole.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of EM radiation and its representation. There is no consensus on the best analogy or visualization method, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of boundary conditions and the specific geometries of wave propagation, which may affect the understanding of EM radiation. The discussion also touches on the limitations of certain analogies in accurately depicting complex wave behaviors.

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What is the best analogy to explain electromagnetic fields? I have seen the depictions of em radiation as perpendicular waves. Do we exist in a huge sphere of em radiation in which waves such as cell phone signals and radio broadcasts can be thought of as spherical ripples that emanate at the speed of light?
 
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Gersty said:
What is the best analogy to explain electromagnetic fields? I have seen the depictions of em radiation as perpendicular waves. Do we exist in a huge sphere of em radiation in which waves such as cell phone signals and radio broadcasts can be thought of as spherical ripples that emanate at the speed of light?

You have a jumbled mixture of terminology here.

First of all, in your title, you used the term "EM radiation". To me, this means "light", as in electromagnetic wave, in which visible light is a part of. Whenever this is used, then this is a solution to the wave equation derived from Maxwell equations. This is where you get the E and B component of the EM wave being perpendicular to each other. So these are not usually called "perpendicular waves", but rather transverse wave, because the direction of motion of the wave is perpendicular to both the oscillating E and B field components of the wave.

But by saying that, it also means that ALL wave properties apply to this "EM radiation", including the relevant boundary conditions. A wave propagating in "free space" has different geometry than a wave coming off an antenna, and has a different geometry than a wave in a waveguide. You also have a difference between traveling wave and standing wave. An EM wave coming out of an antenna is not a "spherical ripple". It may have a circular wave fronts, and there may be some vertical spread in the wave, but most of the energy is directed horizontally due to the geometry of the source. An antenna is typically not a point point source, so it does not produce spherical waves. Again, boundary conditions.

So no, we do not exist in a "... huge sphere of em radiation ... "

Zz.
 
Gersty said:
spherical ripples
The simplest form of electromagnetic radiation is "dipole radiation" produced by an oscillating electric dipole, e.g. a simple radio antenna. Here's an example of the electric field pattern:

Dipole_xmting_antenna_animation_4_408x318x150ms.gif


As you can see, the pattern has a spherical aspect to it, but it's not uniform in all directions. The amplitude and direction of the fields that you observe depend on the direction of your location with respect to the dipole axis (vertical in this example).

A Google search for "dipole radiation" turns up many more pictures and animations. (This one is from the Wikipedia article on dipole antennas.)
 

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jtbell said:
As you can see, the pattern has a spherical aspect to it, but it's not uniform in all directions.
You have to spend some time looking at that (good) animation to get the full message. The fields depicted are 'near field' and the funny business at the ends of the dipole shows that the amplitude (increased spacing of the field lines) goes to zero along the axis. It's interesting (or obvious, depending on how it grabs you) how the E lines near the poles point the wrong way and at the poles and not parallel to the wires, like in the rest of the field.
 

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