How Do You Apply U-Substitution to ∫sin(x^5)dx?

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The discussion revolves around applying the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to the integral \(\int_3^x \sin(t^{5}) \, dt\) and finding its derivative. Participants explore the implications of using u-substitution in this context and clarify the correct interpretation of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to apply u-substitution by letting \(u = t^{5}\) and express \(dt\) in terms of \(du\), but question the validity of mixing variables within the integral. Others clarify that the task is to find the derivative, not to evaluate the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with participants recognizing the need to focus on finding the derivative rather than integrating. Some have provided clarifications regarding the notation and the relationship between the integral and its limits, while others have expressed confusion about the application of u-substitution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limits of the integral are 3 and \(x\), indicating that the integral is a function of \(x\). There is also mention of the professor's instruction against mixing variables in the integral.

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Homework Statement



Use Part 2 of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to find the derivative.

\int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know the general idea of what I'm supposed to do as far as evaluate the indefinate integral and then do a subtraction of the upper limit and lower limits...but I can't even get to the point of finding the indefinate integral. (maybe it's that I just "think" I know what I'm supposed to do..)

\int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt

I'm letting u = t^{5}

so du = 5t^{4}

then it looks like dt can be replaced by \frac{1}{5t^{4}}

so that \int_3^x \frac{1}{5t^4} sin(u) \, du

However, our professor has instructed that mixing variables within the integral is not allowed because it can't be evaluated.

So how to I do u-substitution on this integral?
 
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You don't. Note that the problem says to use the fundamental theorem of calculus. Don't ignore that bit of info.
 
LearninDaMath said:

Homework Statement



Use Part 2 of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to find the derivative.
\int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I know the general idea of what I'm supposed to do as far as evaluate the indefinate integral and then do a subtraction of the upper limit and lower limits...but I can't even get to the point of finding the indefinate integral. (maybe it's that I just "think" I know what I'm supposed to do..)
\int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt
I'm letting u = t^{5}

so du = 5t^{4}

then it looks like dt can be replaced by \frac{1}{5t^{4}}

so that \int_3^x \frac{1}{5t^4} sin(u) \, du

However, our professor has instructed that mixing variables within the integral is not allowed because it can't be evaluated.

So how to I do u-substitution on this integral?
What vela said, plus ... you're to find the derivative.
 
oh, it says find the derivative...lol. I just saw the integral sign and began trying to integrate. I didn't even notice that there is a d/dt notation to the right of the integral clear as day. And so I figured the fundamental theorem being referred to was the property that is actually FTC1. Anyway, Thanks :) sin(x^5) duh. I turned a 30 second problem into a 20 minute headache. Thanks Vela and Sammy.
 
LearninDaMath said:
oh, it says find the derivative...lol. I just saw the integral sign and began trying to integrate. I didn't even notice that there is a d/dt notation to the right of the integral clear as day. And so I figured the fundamental theorem being referred to was the property that is actually FTC1. Anyway, Thanks :) sin(x^5) duh. I turned a 30 second problem into a 20 minute headache. Thanks Vela and Sammy.
The limits od the integral are 3 and x, so the integral is a function of x, not t.

The derivative of this integral is with respect to x.

I.e.

Find
\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\ \left(\ \int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt\ \right)\ .​
 
SammyS said:
The limits od the integral are 3 and x, so the integral is a function of x, not t.

The derivative of this integral is with respect to x.

I.e.

Find
\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\ \left(\ \int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt\ \right)\ .​


Thanks, I noticed that right after I submitted the post and editted with the correct notation right afterwards.
 
Is this just 5x^4 sin(x^{5}) ?
 
zjmarlow said:
Is this just 5x^4 sin(x^{5}) ?
No.

The anti-derivative of 5x^4 \sin(x^{5}) is -\cos(x^{5}) +C,

not \displaystyle \int \sin(x^{5}) dx\ .
 
So this should be sin(x^{5}), correct?
 
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No, it isn't. What is the derivative of sin(u(x)) with respect to x. What is the derivative of cos(u(x)) with respect to x?
 
  • #11
cos(u(x)) u'(x) and -sin(u(x)) u'(x).
 
  • #12
zjmarlow said:
So this should be sin(x^{5}), correct?
This result looks correct to me. There is no x under the integral sign. I don't understand what Halls of Ivy is saying.

Chet
 
  • #13
zjmarlow said:
So this should be sin(x^{5}), correct?

If you mean:
Is \displaystyle <br /> \frac{d}{dx}\ \left(\ \int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt\ \right)=\sin(x^5)\ ?​

Then I agree with Chestermiller that, "Yes it is."

Here's how I arrive at that:

Let F(t) be an anti-derivative of sin(t5). In other words, let \displaystyle F(t)=\int sin(t^{5}) \, dt\ .

Then \displaystyle \int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt=F(x)-F(3)\ .

Therefore, \displaystyle <br /> \frac{d}{dx}\ \left(\ \int_3^x sin(t^{5}) \, dt\ \right)=\frac{d}{dx}\left(F(x)-F(3)\right)=\sin(x^5)-0\ .
 
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LearninDaMath said:
oh, it says find the derivative...lol. I just saw the integral sign and began trying to integrate. I didn't even notice that there is a d/dt notation to the right of the integral clear as day.

"When all else fails, read (or reread) the instructions."
 

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