How Do You Calculate Initial Velocity for Vertical Motion?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial velocity of a ball thrown vertically upward, considering the effects of gravity and the time of flight. The problem involves understanding the kinematic equations and the correct application of positive and negative directions in motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the algebraic expression for initial velocity and question the signs used for displacement and acceleration. There is discussion about the implications of a negative initial velocity and whether it aligns with the physical scenario described.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, questioning the assumptions made about directionality in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the signs in the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answer.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the displacement being zero and how that affects the calculation of initial velocity. The discussion also highlights the importance of defining positive and negative directions in the context of the problem.

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Problem:
A ball is thrown vertically upward, which is the positive direction. A little while later it returns to its point of release. The ball is in the air for a total time of 10 s. Note: Near the Earth's surface, g is approximately 9.80 m /s2.

(a1) What is the algebraic expression for the initial velocity v0 of the ball? Express your answer in terms of the ball's displacement y, its acceleration a in the vertical direction, and the elapsed time t.

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is this correct?:
Equation:
v0=(y-.5at^2)/t

v0=(0-490)/10
v0=(-490)/10
v0=-49
 
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"A ball is thrown vertically uwpard which is the positive direction"

And you get -49, which since its negative, is the down direction. Will a ball thrown towards the ground last 10 seconds in the air? Only if you throw it from the roof of a tall building.
 
You seem to have used the formula y=ut+0.5a(t^2), transposed it and obtained u=(y/t)-0.5at, so as long as you have your positive and negative directions right you've done it right, i think.
 
one thing to think about, if the positive direction is upwards, how could the ball travel up when it has a negative initial velocity?
 
The vertical 'throw' equation for the y-direction is [tex]y(t)\vec{j}=v_{0}t\vec{j}-0.5gt^2\vec{j}[/tex], which is equal to y(t) = v0*t - 0.5*g*t^2. Actually, I don't see any problems with the directions; the initial velocity v0 is 'positive', and gravitiy is acting in the 'negative' direction all the time. I don't see how you got a negative velocity from your equation. v0 equals 49 [m/s].
 
So my answer is correct? just instead of negative its positive?
i got negative because, the displacement is 0,
v0=(y-.5at^2)/t
v0=(0-.5(9.8)(10^2))/10
v0=(0-490)/10
v0=-490/10
v0=-49

However when i use the equation radou gives, i get the positive 49... so i think its just the equation i used... Thanks guys!
 
Joules23 said:
So my answer is correct? just instead of negative its positive?
i got negative because, the displacement is 0,
v0=(y-.5at^2)/t
v0=(0-.5(9.8)(10^2))/10
v0=(0-490)/10
v0=-490/10
v0=-49

However when i use the equation radou gives, i get the positive 49... so i think its just the equation i used... Thanks guys!
Your equation is correct, it's just that the acceleration due to gravity is [itex]a_y = -g = -9.80 m/s^2[/itex]. (assuming the positive y-axis pointing upward). You used a=+g which is the problem.

Hope this helps
 

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