How Do You Calculate Net Torque on a Compound Wheel?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net torque on a compound wheel with specified inner and outer radii and multiple forces acting on it. The forces include one that acts at an angle below the horizontal, raising questions about how this affects the torque calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of net torque using the formula Torque = Fd sin(th) and express confusion regarding the relevance of moment of inertia and angular acceleration in this context. There are attempts to clarify the effect of the angle of the applied force on torque.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations presented, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of significant figures in the context of an online submission system. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, particularly regarding the role of the angle of the force.

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Participants note that the mass of the object was initially overlooked and that a picture of the setup may be required for clarity. There is mention of potential issues with the online system accepting answers, suggesting that external factors may influence the discussion.

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(sorry about another topic but this week's HW is hard @_@)

Homework Statement


A circular-shaped object has an inner radius
of 6 cm and an outer radius of 22 cm. Three
forces (acting perpendicular to the axis of
rotation) of magnitudes 13 N, 28 N, and 13 N
act on the object, as shown. The force of
magnitude 28 N acts 40◦ below the horizontal.

Find the magnitude of the net torque on
the wheel about the axle through the center
of the object. Answer in units of N · m.


Homework Equations


Torque = Fd sin (th)


The Attempt at a Solution



I ignored the mass because the teacher didn't mention anything about reading over the moment of intertia section in our textbook, but I think she was wrong... Anyway:

Clockwise as the positive direction.

Net Torque = (13 * 0.28) + (13 * 0.28) - (28 * 0.06 sin 40)
Net torque = 6.200116816 m*N (WRONG)

T_T I tried reading the section, but it gave me an equation (Net Torque = Moment of intertia * angular acceleration) I couldn't do anything with, as I didn't know how to solve for the angular acceleration.
 
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Oh the mass on the picture was 10 kg, if that even matters.

I'll post a pic if it's needed.

EDIT: Oops, now that I read that over, a picture is required.
 

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Elbobo said:
I ignored the mass because the teacher didn't mention anything about reading over the moment of intertia section in our textbook, but I think she was wrong... Anyway:
Since the question only asks for the net torque, not the resulting angular acceleration, you don't have to worry about moment of inertia.

Clockwise as the positive direction.

Net Torque = (13 * 0.28) + (13 * 0.28) - (28 * 0.06 sin 40)
Net torque = 6.200116816 m*N (WRONG)
The outer radius is 22 cm, not 28 cm (don't add the inner and outer radii). Does the angle that the 28 N force makes with the horizontal affect the torque it creates around the axis?
 
OK so the angle shouldn't even matter since it's already perpendicular to the radius...

So then I did:

(13 * 0.22) + (13 * 0.22) - (28 * 0.06) = 4.04 m*N

which is still wrong...
 
Looks fine to me. (Depending upon how fussy your online system is, you might need to use the correct number of significant figures.)
 
my online system accepts the most possible digits as can be, which is 4.04

two other people I've asked also approved of 4.04 X_X

some of my friends said that this week's HW won't accept the obviously right answer, i.e. glitch/mistake in the system. i hope it's that
 

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