Calculating Torque on Rear Wheel Gear: 18-Speed Bicycle Question Explained

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque on the rear wheel gear of an 18-speed bicycle, considering the radii of the gears associated with the pedals and the rear wheel. The problem involves applying a force to the pedals and understanding the implications of gear ratios on torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pedal and rear wheel torque, referencing the concept of gear ratios and their effect on torque. Some express confusion about the calculations and the underlying principles of torque and momentum.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to torque and gear ratios. Some participants have raised questions about the assumptions made in the problem and the relationships between the different components of the bicycle's gearing system.

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Participants note the need for clarity on how gear ratios influence torque and the implications of the force applied to the pedals. There is also mention of the specific dimensions of the gears involved, which may affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Consider a 18 speed bicycle, 3 gears are rotating with the pedal and 6 gears are rotating with rear wheel. Consider that the ones rotating with pedal, have radii 10 cm, 7 cm and 5 cm and the other ones have radii 3 cm, 4 cm, 5 cm, 6 cm, 7 cm and 8 cm. Calculate the torque on rear wheel gear for each different case if you apply to the pedal a force of magnitude 343 N. The force is vertical to the pedal, and it has a length of 17 cm. Explain why a bike needs that much speed, i.e. 18 speed.

Homework Equations


Equations about the torque and momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


I couldn't do anything.Actually τ=dL/dt
I thought that Fxr1=F'xr2
here r1 is the pedal radius
here r2 is the rear wheel radius

cause torques must be same why τ=dL/dt And L is equal to rxp which they are not chaning during the time.there's no external force and radius is same.

Any ideas
 
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Arman777 said:

Homework Statement


Consider a 18 speed bicycle, 3 gears are rotating with the pedal and 6 gears are rotating with rear wheel. Consider that the ones rotating with pedal, have radii 10 cm, 7 cm and 5 cm and the other ones have radii 3 cm, 4 cm, 5 cm, 6 cm, 7 cm and 8 cm. Calculate the torque on rear wheel gear for each different case if you apply to the pedal a force of magnitude 343 N. The force is vertical to the pedal, and it has a length of 17 cm. Explain why a bike needs that much speed, i.e. 18 speed.

Homework Equations


Equations about the torque and momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


I couldn't do anything.Actually τ=dL/dt
I thought that Fxr1=F'xr2
here r1 is the pedal radius
here r2 is the rear wheel radius

cause torques must be same why τ=dL/dt And L is equal to rxp which they are not chaning during the time.there's no external force and radius is same.

Any ideas
Haven't you ever studied gear ratios and how they affect torque?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_train
 
Here there's rope so v=wr here w is same for both object. v/r=v'/r' and also τ=Fr so τ'=F'r' So here I guess torque ratio will be the radius ratio ?
 
Arman777 said:
Here there's rope so v=wr here w is same for both object. v/r=v'/r' and also τ=Fr so τ'=F'r' So here I guess torque ratio will be the radius ratio ?
Well, a chain instead of a rope.
Yes, radius or diameter can be used to calculate the ratio.
 

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