How Do You Calculate Thevenin Equivalent Circuits?

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Homework Statement


Determine the Thevenin equivalent with respect to the terminals a,b

Homework Equations


Rth=Voc/Isc

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm doing this practice problem and I calculated the the short circuit current below:

500uA*100ohm/(100ohm+1310ohm)= 35.460 uA

since 80*ib=current in v2, 35.460 A * 80=2836.87 uA

So Isc=2836.87

Now for the open circuit voltage..
80ib* 50kohm= 40.0*10^5 ib
Now to solve for ib is where I'm lost.
In the solution they have 4*10^-5v2=-160ib, but I have no idea where it came from?
 
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  • Circuit schematic with a 500 uA current source, a 100 ohm resistor, a 1310 ohm resistor carrying ib, a CCVS of -5v2 labeled 4x10^-5 v2, a dependent current source of 80ib, and a 50 kohm resistor across v2, with terminals a and b; below it the open-circuit equations are written out.
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A fraction of v2 is fed back to influence the input. That fraction is given as 4x10-5v2, so substitute in this your value for v2 (which you have in terms of ib).
 
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Thank you. I have a question about calcuating Isc vs. Voc, why isn't Voc simply Isc/50kohms?

I know the circuit is suppose to be "open" but isn't it still the same thing?
 
orangeincup said:
Thank you. I have a question about calcuating Isc vs. Voc, why isn't Voc simply Isc/50kohms?
It would be if the Thèvenin resistance were 50kΩ, but it isn't. That's what you are trying to find! The feedback changes the output impedance. And it changes the input impedance, and it changes the gain.
 
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So is the Vth or Voc I'm calculating simply the voltage across the 80ib dependent current source?

In the open circuit voltage I thought the 50kohm resistor would still be part of the circuit, and the voltage across that would equal the voltage across a-b?
 
orangeincup said:
So is the Vth or Voc I'm calculating simply the voltage across the 80ib dependent current source?
Yes, but the 50k remains in place, it's part of the model. (Without some resistive load, the voltage across a current source would be infinite.)

In the open circuit voltage I thought the 50kohm resistor would still be part of the circuit, and the voltage across that would equal the voltage across a-b?
Yes, and yes.
 
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