How Do You Calculate Thevenin Voltage Using Superposition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the Thevenin voltage using the principle of superposition in an electrical circuit. Participants are examining the accuracy of calculations related to Thevenin resistance and voltage, as well as the proper application of circuit analysis techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a circuit and claims to have used superposition to calculate the Thevenin voltage, seeking validation of their approach.
  • Another participant questions the calculation of Thevenin resistance, noting a discrepancy in the parallel resistance calculation.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the voltage divider calculation, suggesting that the output voltage should not equal the source voltage.
  • Clarifications are made about the proper method for suppressing sources, indicating that current sources should be removed and voltage sources should be shorted.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their Thevenin resistance calculation and corrects it, while also recognizing an error in their voltage calculation related to series resistances.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the configuration of the circuit after suppressing sources, specifically about the connections of remaining components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and methods used, with some corrections and clarifications being made, but no consensus is reached on the final correctness of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly in the treatment of voltage and current sources during the analysis.

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Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


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Is this correct? I used principle of superposition to calculate the Thevenin voltage[/B]
 
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Check your Thevenin resistance. When you calculated 60 || 30 you seem to have ended up with 15, although you did it correctly elsewhere.

Check your ##V_{th1}## calculation. You have a voltage divider and shouldn't end up with the same voltage as the source driving it on its output.

For ##V_{th3}##, when you suppress the 1.2 A source you remove it, not short it. And suppressing the 18 V supply shorts it. Draw the remaining circuitry. You'll see that the 0.25 A supply does make a contribution to Vth (it's still in parallel with a 20 Ohm resistor).
 
gneill said:
Check your Thevenin resistance. When you calculated 60 || 30 you seem to have ended up with 15, although you did it correctly elsewhere.

Check your ##V_{th1}## calculation. You have a voltage divider and shouldn't end up with the same voltage as the source driving it on its output.

For ##V_{th3}##, when you suppress the 1.2 A source you remove it, not short it. And suppressing the 18 V supply shorts it. Draw the remaining circuitry. You'll see that the 0.25 A supply does make a contribution to Vth (it's still in parallel with a 20 Ohm resistor).

Yeah. My thevenin resistance should be 40 and not 35.

Ah yes. I see my mistake there for Vth1. I added the resistances even though thevenin voltage was only across one of the resistors and not the sum of them so I should use voltage division for it since voltage is divided in series. Forgot about that.

So is this correct for Vth3 -
http://puu.sh/lR1gV/9cd3848fff.jpg

That black oval, removing that completely?(and shorting the voltage) So the 0.25A would still be connected in parallel to 20ohms.
 
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Right. When you suppress sources, currents are replaced by open circuits, voltages by short circuits.
 
gneill said:
Right. When you suppress sources, currents are replaced by open circuits, voltages by short circuits.
Awesome. Thanks so much
 

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