How Do You Choose the Right Pull-Down Resistor Value for an IC Input Pin?

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The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate pull-down resistor value for an input pin of an integrated circuit (IC). Participants explore various resistor values, their implications on power consumption, time constants, and the specific requirements based on the IC's datasheet.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how to calculate the appropriate pull-down resistor value and requests a specific range.
  • Another participant suggests that a 10K resistor should suffice for most applications.
  • It is noted that while 10K is a common choice, higher values like 500K may be more suitable for battery-powered applications to extend run times, depending on the input current and maximum voltage levels specified in the datasheet.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of considering the time constant created by the resistor and the input capacitance of the gate, suggesting that a 10K resistor results in a time constant of 75ns, while a 1MΩ resistor yields a time constant of 7.5μs, which could lead to higher current draw and increased noise sensitivity.
  • Another participant recalls historical issues with early CMOS parts, noting that floating inputs could lead to positive feedback and excessive power supply current, raising concerns about the implications of leaving inputs unconnected.
  • The original poster confirms that the project is indeed a hobby project and mentions that all unused inputs have been tied to ground.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the appropriate resistor value, with no consensus reached. Some advocate for the common 10K value, while others suggest higher values depending on specific conditions and applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the IC's datasheet for specific parameters, but there is an acknowledgment of the need to consider various conditions such as power consumption, time constants, and input capacitance, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi, I have this IC
Datasheet:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/schs015c/schs015c.pdf

I need a pull down resistor at one of the input pins but I am not sure what value to use. How can I calculate what value resistor I need ?, can someone give me a specific range ?
 
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I figured a 10K should be fine ?
 
10K is usually the default selection for pullup and pulldown resistors. If you don't care how much power it takes then you don't really need to go farther. For most applications it is negligible power.

If you are using batteries to power it and wan very long run times you should go higher. 500K would be usable over all conditions in the datasheet. Look at Iin and Vil Max. (Other current paths on the input + Lin) * R must be less than Vil Max for all of the conditions you expect. At room temperature and 18V operation this could be hundreds of Meg.

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It depends on what you use the pull-down resistor for. If you use it to pull down an input after something else has pulled the input high, you need to look at the time constant defined by your resistance and the input capacitance of the gate (which is ≤7.5pF from the spec sheet). A resistor of 10kΩ gives a time constant of 75ns, which is acceptable. A resistor of 1MΩ gives a time constant of 7.5μs, which will keep the gate in the linear region for quite a long time (means higher current draw, increased noise sensitivity and possible instability). If you need a high resistance, consider putting it in front of a schmitt-trigger input.
 
Boy, that datasheet brings back memories, back when the IC mask was actually (for some reason) included.

Those early CMOS parts had a tendency to burn up if the inputs of unused sections were left floating. If the logic included inversion you could get positive feedback from the toggling output back to the floating input, and the frequency, and corresponding power supply current, would race way beyond the parts spec.

Is this a hobby project?

Edit --> I just noticed that Berkeman discussed this on a different thread from same OP.
 
the_emi_guy said:
Boy, that datasheet brings back memories, back when the IC mask was actually (for some reason) included.

Those early CMOS parts had a tendency to burn up if the inputs of unused sections were left floating. If the logic included inversion you could get positive feedback from the toggling output back to the floating input, and the frequency, and corresponding power supply current, would race way beyond the parts spec.

Is this a hobby project?

Edit --> I just noticed that Berkeman discussed this on a different thread from same OP.

Yes, this is a project. I did tie all the unused inputs to ground
 

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