How Do You Determine Spin States from a Hamiltonian?

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The discussion revolves around determining spin states from a Hamiltonian in the context of a system of spin 1/2 fermions, particularly using the Dirac equation in two dimensions. The original poster seeks clarification on how to derive spin states from the energy eigenstates obtained from the Hamiltonian.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between the Hamiltonian's eigenstates and the corresponding spin states, questioning the role of Pauli spin matrices and linear combinations of spin states. Some participants suggest that the presence of spin operators in the Hamiltonian is crucial for determining the correct spin states.

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The discussion is exploring the implications of whether the Hamiltonian includes spin operators. Some participants have provided insights on how to approach the problem based on the Hamiltonian's structure, but there is no explicit consensus on the specifics of the Hamiltonian's formulation.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether spin was considered when forming the Hamiltonian, which raises questions about the assumptions underlying the problem. There is a mention of the Hamiltonian being confirmed as correct, but its explicit dependence on spin operators is still in question.

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Sorry if this question is very general/vague, but I would prefer a general answer rather than a specific solution... I'll put more detail in if necessary though.

So, say we have a Hamiltonian for a system (of fermions, spin 1/2); then we find its eigenvalues and hence eigenstates. These are then energy eigenstates, yes? What I really need is the spin states; how do I get them?

The only infomation I have, other than the Hamiltonian, is that the spin 1/2 particles are described by the Dirac equation (2D).

I'm thinking pauli spin matrices might be useful here?

Obviously, you get (0,1) and (1,0) {column not row vectors there obviously) for spin up and spin down; but I think I need some kind or linear combination of these?

Sorry if it's not clear, I'm a bit out of my depth here!
 
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Here is a general answer.

If your Hamiltonian does not have spin operators in it, then any two orthonormal linear combinations of spin-up and spin-down states will do. That's because the energy degeneracy is 2 as far as spin is concerned.

If your Hamiltonian does have spin operators in it, then the procedure for finding the energy eigenstates will give the appropriate two linear combinations of spin-up and spin-down states.
 
Thanks for your reply.
The hamiltonian can be written as a linear combination of spin operators if that's what you mean?
The problem I have is that I don't remember considering spin when I formed the hamiltonian (although I have confirmation that the hamiltonian is correct).
 
It's not a matter of "can be written", it's a matter of "is it written" so that spin operators appear explicitly in the Hamiltonian. In other words, does your Hamiltonian contain terms that would lift the spin degeneracy or does it not?
If it does, then the procedure for finding the eigenstates (usually a diagonalization) will provide the correct spin eigenstates.
If it does not, then any linear combination of spin states will do, or you can ignore spin. If you don't remember whether it does or does not, I cannot help you.
 

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