How do you know the order of ligands?

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The discussion revolves around the proper order of ligands in the naming of the complex ion triammineaquadihydroxochromium(III) chloride. Participants explore the rules for ligand arrangement, considering factors such as charge and alphabetical order.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the transition metal should be listed first, followed by the ligands, but is uncertain about the order of the neutral ligands (NH3 and H2O) compared to the charged ligand (OH).
  • Another participant proposes that neutral ligands should precede charged ligands and suggests that neutral ligands should be organized alphabetically by their chemical symbols, leading to the formula [CrH2O(NH3)3(OH)2]Cl.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about the correct naming conventions and references IUPAC guidelines, specifically mentioning the "Red book" as a potential authoritative source.
  • A fourth participant asserts that the correct order should place the transition metal first, followed by anionic ligands, and then neutral ligands alphabetically, concluding with the formula [Cr(OH)2(H2O)(NH3)3]Cl.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct order of ligands, with multiple competing views presented regarding the arrangement of neutral and charged ligands.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on IUPAC naming rules, indicating that the discussion may be limited by varying interpretations of these guidelines.

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Homework Statement


So i have triammineaquadihydroxochromium(III) chloride and i have to write the formula.

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So there's (NH3)3, H2O, (OH)2, Cr and a Cl anion

I know the transition metal goes first, and the charge of the complex is 1+ so it'll be = {Cr - - - ] Cl

But now how do i know what order to put the (NH3)3, H2O, (OH)2? I don't think it has to be alphabetical. If it is alphabetical then this is simple. And it can't just be put the metal, then the neutral ligands then charged ligand because there are two neutral ligands, (NH3)3 and H2O, so which one of those would go first...
 
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so i think i found out how to do it, neutrals should come before charged ligands, and neutrals should be organized alphabetically according to chemical symbol, not name.

So this will be [CrH2O(NH3)3(OH)2]Cl

But I am really not too sure, i see so many complexes that have the metal then a negatively charged ligand then the neutral. Like [CrCl2(H2O)4]
 
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TBH I am not sure what the correct answer ism but the only authoritative source on that will be one of the IUPAC books defining naming rules. Quick googling suggests it is a so called "Red book".
 
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As IUPAC Rule
First is always Cation and then anion
In your example cation is a complex and anion is Cl-
triammineaquadihydroxochromium(III) ...Now here first write the Transition metal (Cr) ,then anionic ligand (2OH-) and then neutral ligand alphabetically (first H2O and then NH3 )
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So The answer is [Cr(OH)2(H2O)(NH3)3]Cl
 

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