How Do You Solve This Alternating Series Involving Logarithms?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an alternating series involving logarithms, specifically the series $$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n \frac{ln(n)}{n}$$ where the term $$a_n$$ is defined as 3 for $$n \equiv 2 \mod 4$$ and -1 otherwise. Participants explore various approaches to tackle the series, including convergence tests and potential simplifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of $$a_n$$ and suggest that a generating function may be needed.
  • There is a proposal to split the series into two separate series based on the definition of $$a_n$$, although this is contested due to concerns about convergence.
  • One participant argues that the series diverges at first glance but later suggests it may converge based on the behavior of partial sums.
  • Another participant provides a numerical limit for the series, suggesting a potential value but acknowledges uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Mathematica is used by some participants to compute both numerical and symbolic results for the series, leading to discrepancies that are noted but not resolved.
  • A later contribution references an external source that claims to show the sum is $$\ln^2(2)$$, but this is presented without consensus among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the series or the validity of the proposed methods. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the series and the implications of splitting it into two parts, particularly regarding convergence. There are unresolved questions about the correctness of numerical versus symbolic results obtained from Mathematica.

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Would like to know how to evaluate this non-trivial series :)
Hi!

Some time ago I came across a series and never solved it, I tried to give a new go because I was genuinely curious how to tackle it, which I thought would work, because it looks innocent, but there is something about the beast making it hard to approach for me. So need some help! Maybe this is straight forward for mathematicians, but not for me.

The series reads
$$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n \frac{ln(n)}{n}$$
Doesn't look that interesting right, at first glimpse one sees it will diverge. But now comes the problem (for me):
##a_n = 3## for ##a_n =## 2 mod 4 and ##a_n = -1## otherwise.

So I think the notation 2 mod 4 means that ##a_n = 3## for n=2,6,10,... so the summation constant will go like (3 -1 -1 -1 +3 -1 -1 -1 + 3 + ...) (starting from n=2).

But giving all the above I don't know how to evaluate the series, I have tried to re-write it without any progress. If you can help me tame this beast, you will help to make peace in my mind!
 
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Hey @jedishrfu

Thanks for answering!

I agree with you, I evaluated it the same way but this exercise is actually different since we have different conditions on ##a_n##. You could be right, my understanding could be wrong, I'm not certain. That's a really good question and what I'm trying to figure out. If I know that I think I'm one step closer =)
 
jedishrfu said:
I found this reference:

https://socratic.org/questions/how-do-you-test-the-series-sigma-lnn-n-from-n-is-1-oo-for-convergence

I don't think your interpretation ##a_n## is valid though. I think they are not defined meaning you can't draw a conclusion instead I think there must be some generating function for ##a_n## .

How does the ##a_n = (2 mod 4)## fit in?
Hi again! I'm so sorry, I made a typo that could be very confusing, it should be "##a_n = 3 ## for n= 2 mod 4". It doesn't seem like I can edit the post. Sorry!

Would this help you understand the problem better? Because I'm still lost.
 
JHansen said:
Doesn't look that interesting right, at first glimpse one sees it will diverge. But now comes the problem (for me):
##a_n = 3## for ##a_n =## 2 mod 4 and ##a_n = -1## otherwise.
I think that the above is incorrect. Instead, I'm almost certain it should be ##a_n = 3## for ##n = 2 \mod 4## and ##a_n = -1## otherwise.
 
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Is there a way to split the series into the sum of two series?
- one series is for ##a_n=-1## for all terms
- the other series would be for the 2 mod 4 terms replacing n=2+4m

##\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n \frac{ln(n)}{n}## = (-1)##\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ln(n)}{n}## + (4) ##\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} \frac{ln(2+4m)}{2+4m}##

This is just a wild guess noting the curious nature of the ##a_n## definition
 
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jedishrfu said:
Is there a way to split the series into the sum of two series?
- one series is for ##a_n=-1## for all terms
- the other series would be for the 2 mod 4 terms replacing n=2+4m

##\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n \frac{ln(n)}{n}## = (-1)##\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ln(n)}{n}## + (4) ##\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} \frac{ln(2+4m)}{2+4m}##

This is just a wild guess noting the curious nature of the ##a_n## definition

You can't do this as it destroys convergence of the series: the sum ##\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac{\ln(n)}{n}## diverges.

A simpler example is that ##1-1/2+1/3-1/4+1/5\ldots## converges (to ##\ln(2)##), but you can't break it apart as ##(1+1/3+1/5+\ldots)-(1/2+1/4+1/6+\ldots)## as both of these terms diverge.
 
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Mark44 said:
I think that the above is incorrect. Instead, I'm almost certain it should be ##a_n = 3## for ##n = 2 \mod 4## and ##a_n = -1## otherwise.
You are correct! This is right!
 
Infrared said:
You can't do this as it destroys convergence of the series: the sum ##\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac{\ln(n)}{n}## diverges.

A simpler example is that ##1-1/2+1/3-1/4+1/5\ldots## converges (to ##\ln(2)##), but you can't break it apart as ##(1+1/3+1/5+\ldots)-(1/2+1/4+1/6+\ldots)## as both of these terms diverge.
Do you have any ideas on how, if possible, to rewrite the series such that we can tackle it with some convergence test?
 
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First write it as:
$$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n\frac{\ln(n)}{n};\quad a_n=\begin{cases}3 &\mbox{if}\; n \;\equiv 2\bmod 4 \\ -1 &\mbox{otherwise} \end{cases}
$$
Not easy to evaluate these types of series.

First make an argument it converges:
Since the series is bounded and the four partial sums:
$$
\begin{aligned}
S_k&=\sum_{n=2}^k a_n\frac{\ln(n)}{n};\quad k\equiv 2\bmod 4 \\
S_{k+1}&=S_k-\frac{\ln(k+1)}{k+1}\\
S_{k+2}&=S_{k+1}-\frac{\ln(k+2)}{k+2} \\
S_{k+3}&=S_{k+2}-\frac{\ln(k+3)}{k+3} \\
\end{aligned}
$$
approach one another as ##k\to\infty##, by the squeeze theorem, the sum converges. I think that is ok but not sure.

So that if it converges, we could as a matter of practicality, evaluate it to arbitrary precision. Here's a numerical limit to a precision of 20 digits:

[CODE title="Mathematica"]In[286]:= Needs["NumericalCalculus`"]
myA[n_] := If[Mod[n, 4] == 2,
3
,
-1
];
nVal = NLimit[Sum[myA[n] Log[n]/n, {n, 2, k}], k -> \[Infinity],
WorkingPrecision -> 20]Out[288]= 0.480263097755934[/CODE]
 
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That looks
aheight said:
First write it as:
$$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} a_n\frac{\ln(n)}{n};\quad a_n=\begin{cases}3 &\mbox{if}\; n \;\equiv 2\bmod 4 \\ -1 &\mbox{otherwise} \end{cases}
$$
Not easy to evaluate these types of series.

First make an argument it converges:
Since the series is bounded and the four partial sums:
$$
\begin{aligned}
S_k&=\sum_{n=2}^k a_n\frac{\ln(n)}{n};\quad k\equiv 2\bmod 4 \\
S_{k+1}&=S_k-\frac{\ln(k+1)}{k+1}\\
S_{k+2}&=S_{k+1}-\frac{\ln(k+2)}{k+2} \\
S_{k+3}&=S_{k+2}-\frac{\ln(k+3)}{k+3} \\
\end{aligned}
$$
approach one another as ##k\to\infty##, by the squeeze theorem, the sum converges. I think that is ok but not sure.

So that if it converges, we could as a matter of practicality, evaluate it to arbitrary precision. Here's a numerical limit to a precision of 20 digits:

[CODE title="Mathematica"]In[286]:= Needs["NumericalCalculus`"]
myA[n_] := If[Mod[n, 4] == 2,
3
,
-1
];
nVal = NLimit[Sum[myA[n] Log[n]/n, {n, 2, k}], k -> \[Infinity],
WorkingPrecision -> 20]Out[288]= 0.480263097755934[/CODE]
That looks like ##ln^2(2)##
 
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Actually, Mathematica returns a symbolic result:

[CODE title="Mathematica"]In[300]:= theVal = Sum[myA[n] Log[n]/n, {n, 2, \[Infinity]}]
N[theVal, 20]

Out[300]= 1/4 (9 Log[2]^2 - 3 EulerGamma Log[4] - 3 Log[4]^2 +
Log[256] + 2 StieltjesGamma[1] - StieltjesGamma[1, 3/4] -
StieltjesGamma[1, 5/4])

Out[301]= 0.48045301391820142467[/CODE]

Might be interesting to figure out how that's computed. Note this answer agrees only with the first 3 digits of NLimit result above. Not sure what's causing the discrepancy or which one is more correct.
 
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Just some closure in the matter: Found a thread at stackexchange which shows how to show sum is indeed ##\ln^2(2)##: Stack Exchange link
 

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